Integrity

Discussion in 'Off Topic Area' started by YODA, May 4, 2002.

  1. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    Hi all

    Here's a quote I came across recently and it had a profound impact on me...

    "Integrity means doing the right thing - even if nobody is watching"

    - do your "play" the honest and sincere martial artist in public only to fail miserably in private?

    I fail in public too - but at least I'm working on it LOL!
     
  2. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    Too close to the bone huh?

    LOL!
     
  3. Melanie

    Melanie Bend the rules somewhat.. Supporter

    Hmmm...Would this be the "way"? That we are supposed to live the "way" of martial arts?
     
  4. Andy Murray

    Andy Murray Sadly passed away. Rest In Peace.

    It's a fundamental question I suppose Yoda. Put another way.....


    Say less than you are!

    Be more than you say!

    Andy:love:
     
  5. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    Correct Andy. But words are easy - how many of us can actually do it?
     
  6. Andy Murray

    Andy Murray Sadly passed away. Rest In Peace.

    A question that can only truly be answered by everyone individually YODA

    I fail to live up to my own expectations on a daily basis, but then I set my standards fairly high. It's not about acheiving perfection, it's about striving towards it. For me anyway!

    Andy;)
     
  7. pesilat

    pesilat Active Member

    Hm. I think I do OK on this one (though it may sound immodest to say so :)

    My number one priority in life is honesty ... to be as honest as possible with everyone ... ESPECIALLY MYSELF.

    I'm far from perfect ... but I'll be the first to tell anyone that.

    I do feel that I am honest and sincere both publicly and privately ... and I think anyone who knows me well would agree.

    I went to a private seminar carrying a box of Krispy Kreme donuts. A close friend (for all intents and purposes, my brother) looked at his instructor and said, "See, two things Mikey takes seriously: his training and his donuts."

    Mike
     
    Last edited: May 12, 2002
  8. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    Good stuff guys.

    Andy - right on! It's better to try & fail than to fail to try :D

    Mike - I'm with you on the donuts :D
     
  9. alienladd

    alienladd I come in peace

    "Integrity means doing the right thing - even if nobody is watching"
    ----------------------------
    Excellent quote, Yoda!

    There was a man once who used to walk around with a lit up lamp or lantern during the day.

    When asked why he replied:

    "I am searching for an honest man."

    I believe the man's name was Diogynes (or something like that) and he was a Greek philosopher.

    I also believe that this has not changed even unto this day.

    "As honest as possible." indeed Pesilat!!!

    You are HONEST or you are NOT!!! :))

    Regards, alienladd ~!~
     
  10. pesilat

    pesilat Active Member

    LOL ... "as possible" is a nod to the fact that I'm human and fallible. I try to always be honest ... but the best laid plans ...

    It's generally pretty easy to be honest with others. But we are all prone to self-delusions and rationalizations. No matter how hard we try to avoid them, they still happen on occasion if we let our guard down.

    Mike
     
  11. alienladd

    alienladd I come in peace

    Of course, Pesilat. I know exactly what you meant, hence the big grin at the end of my quote.

    The thing is I hear this statement so often from people around me and yet one has to be on one's guard all the time. ... Indulge in the luxury of trust ... and you invariably get the short end of the stick.

    Funnily enough, I find it easier to be honest with myself (ok, ok, ... I will admit I sometimes try to delude myself and try to find excuses for my shortcomings) but still even then I KNOW the truth and WILL acknowledge it as without that there is no way to improvement.

    With strangers I find it sometimes a little strained to be straight forward honest, good and clean and fresh type of honest,... sometimes of course I find it best not to respond to some of their statements or actions as my response would more than likely lead to aggressive responseson their part.
    So in a way people often 'force' one to be a little 'deceitful'

    I am SO getting carried away here!!!

    One last thing .... what does 'LOL' stand for.
    I'm not so eloquent in computer 'hieroglyphics'

    Regards, alienladd ~!~
     
  12. Andy Murray

    Andy Murray Sadly passed away. Rest In Peace.

    LOL= Lots of Laughs
    ROFL= rolls on the floor laughing
    BTW= By the way
    BRB= Be right back
    NP= No problem
    CWAH= Cooler was a hippy
    KIFP= Karate is for pansy's

    The last two seem somewhat inflammatory to me, but Melanie assures me that they are accepted net terminology world wide.

    HONEST ;)

    Andy:)
     
  13. alienladd

    alienladd I come in peace

    ROFL - at the last two, but thanks Andy

    Regards, alienladd
     
  14. Melanie

    Melanie Bend the rules somewhat.. Supporter

    Er...Andy....

    Hate to say this..but I wasn't being serious...oh well :)

    Melanie
     
  15. pesilat

    pesilat Active Member

    Huh. Never seen "Lots of Laughs" ... I've always used it for "Laughing Out Loud"

    And don't forget: ROFLMAO = Rolling on Floor Laughing My A$$ Off

    Later, Mike
     
  16. pesilat

    pesilat Active Member

    Yeah, that's what I figured ... just wanted to clarify ... just in case ;-)

    Yes, that does happen. But I'm a believer in the concept of karma. I'm very trusting ... but also realistic in my expectations. If I get stabbed in the back then I know not to trust that person any more ... or at least in that area.

    But I find that my trust is rewarded far more often than it is spurned.

    For that I use two old rules: "if I have nothing nice to say I say nothing at all" and "if you don't want the answer don't ask the question."

    So, if I'm not saying anything and someone asks my opinion, then they need to be prepared to hear my honest opinion. This has gotten me in hot water on occasion ... but generally people respect me for it and when they do ask for my opinion they are prepared for honesty ... even if they don't like it they respect it because it's honest.

    I was attending a seminar once where there was a potential for some political BS to crop up. My instructor's wife was kind of worried about me going. My instructor told her, "If it comes up, Mike'll avoid it. If they stick it in his face, they'll probably regret it."

    There was some political BS ... but I ignored it and didn't let it get to me. I just did my work and let it speak for itself.

    Once, I attended a Ninjutsu class and they did knife work. Knife work isn't my personal forte ... but it is the forte of the Filipino martial arts ... and, as such, I've got pretty respectable knife skills. I went through the class and did everything as they taught it and didn't say a word. After the class, the instructor (who is a great guy and very open-minded) asked me what I thought. I said, "Well, it's decent ... not how I'd do it, but decent." He asked how I would do it. I showed him some of the FMA knife work and he grinned, a little wide-eyed, and said, "Ah. I see why you wouldn't do it our way."

    Mike
     
  17. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    You call THAT a list?

    THIS is a list :D

    AAMOF = As A Matter Of Fact
    AFAIK = As Far As I Know
    AWGTHTGTTA = Are We Going To Have To Go Through This Again?
    Alternative form is AWGTHTGTATA (...Through ALL This Again?)
    BBFN = Bye Bye For Now
    BIOYIOP = Blow It Out Your Input Output Port
    BRB = Be Right Back (generally used on chat systems)
    BTA = But Then Again
    BTW = By The Way
    BYKT = But You Knew That
    BYKTA = But You Knew That Already
    CMIIW = Correct Me If I'm Wrong
    CYL = See You Later
    DNPM = Darn Near P***ed Myself
    EOD = End Of Discussion
    EOL = End Of Lecture
    ESOSL = Endless Snorts of Stupid Laughter
    FDROTFL = Falling Down Rolling On The Floor Laughing
    FITB = Fill In The Blank....
    FOTCL = Falling Off The Chair Laughing
    FWIW = For What It's Worth
    FYI = For Your Information
    GD&R = Grin, Duck & Run
    GOK = God Only Knows
    IAC = In Any Case
    IMCDO = In My Conceited Dogmatic Opinion.
    IMHO = In My Humble Opinion
    IMNSHO = In My Not So Humble Opinion
    IOW = In Other Words
    IITYWYBMAB = If I Tell You, Will You Buy Me A Beer
    IITYWYBAD = If I Tell You, Will You Buy Another Drink
    INPO = In No Particular Order
    KCBIWIYWI = Keep Coming Back, It Works If You Work It
    LLTA = Lots and Lots of Thunderous (or Thundering) Applause
    LOL = Laughing out loud
    LMAO = Laughing My A** Off
    MUNG = Mash Until No Good
    NICBDAT = Nothing Is Certain But Death And Taxes
    NIMBY = Not In My Backyard
    NIMTO = Not In My Term of Office
    NPLU = Not People Like Us
    NQOS = Not Quite Our Sort
    OIC = OH!, I See
    OTOH = On The Other Hand
    PGY = Post Graduate year PGY-1, PGY-2 etc. used in PGY Med.
    PMETC = Pardon Me Etc.
    PMYMHMMFSWGAD = Pardon Me, You Must Have Mistaken Me For Someone Who
    Gives A Damn.
    PTO=Patent and Trademark Office (US Govt)
    ROFL = Rolling On Floor Laughing
    ROFLAHMSL = Rolling On Floor Laughing And Holding My Sides Laughing
    ROTBA = Reality On The Blink Again
    ROTFL = Rolling On The Floor Laughing
    ROFLASTC (or ROFLASC) = Rolling On The Floor Laughing And Scaring
    The Cat. Originated, I'm told by Pamela Dean, who types with a cat
    on her lap.
    ROTFLMAAOBPO = Rolling On The Floor Laughing My A** And Other Body Parts Off
    ROY G. BIV = An acronym for the colors of the spectrum-- Red Orange Yellow Green
    Blue Indigo Violet
    RSN = Real Soon Now
    RTFM = Read The F**** Manual
    SWAG = Simple Wild A** Guess
    SYT = Sweet Young Thing
    TANJ = There Ain't No Justice
    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
    TIC = Tongue In Cheek
    TINALO = This Is Not A Legal Opinion
    TINAR = This Is Not A Recommendation
    TIWTGLGG = This Is Where The Goofy Little Grin Goes
    TJATAW = Truth, Justice, And The American Way
    TLA = Three Letter Acronym
    TRDMC = Tears Running Down My Cheeks
    TTBOMK = To The Best Of My Knowledge
    TTFN = Ta Ta For Now
    TTYL = Talk To You Later
    TYVM = Thank You Very Much
    WAMKSAM = Why Are My Kids (or Kitties) Staring At Me?
    WIBAMU = Well I'll be a Monkey's Uncle
    WYSBYGI = What You See Before You Get It
    WYSIWYG = What You See Is What You Get
    YAP = Yet Another Ploy
    YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary
     
  18. Andy Murray

    Andy Murray Sadly passed away. Rest In Peace.

    Yeah but that's old Yoda. what about.....

    YMWAHAYFSOE- Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberiies!

    GTAFFTARD- Go take a flying **** through a rolling donut!

    DYGOM?- Do you get out much?

    WYATU?- Where you always this unpopular?

    ITTTIMBO- Is that the time, I must be off.

    IMBLYK- I met Bruce Lee you know.

    YBS- Your breath stinks.

    YSS- Your spelling stinks.

    I have been sticking these at the bottom of posts for ages, and no one ever questions me. I think they are too afraid to admit they don't know what they mean!

    Andy ;)
     
  19. Andrew Green

    Andrew Green Member



    All depends on how you define "the right thing", Since philosophers have been arguing about that since philosophers began to exist. ( :D ) it doesn't mean much when you work through it.

    Lets see... It's not ok to put cats in the microwave becuase other people find it disturbing. If there is no one around to find it disturbing its ok.

    Of course then you are still doing the "right thing" as you believe it to be, and therefore have integrity.

    or...

    The right thing is to put cats in the microwave, regardless of what others think.

    or how about....

    To do the right thing is to do that which bring you the most pleasure. If putting cats in the microwave brings you pleasure, then that is the right thing.

    Now just for the record: I have never put a cat in the microwave.

    Anyway, defining integrity as doing the right thing - fine, define "doing the right thing" - not so easy.

    Another quote "It's only a crime if you get caught"


    ....


    Ok, I'll take my meds now...
     
  20. Melanie

    Melanie Bend the rules somewhat.. Supporter

    Andy...the Canadian version of the Royal Society of Prevention Cruelty to Animals has asked that you stay where you are...you're surrounded.

    Take it like the man you are Andy...on your knees and beg for forgiveness...

    You knew you had to take the meds more than once a day...
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2002

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