I'm wondering

Discussion in 'Boxing' started by vampyregirl, Mar 3, 2012.

  1. vampyregirl

    vampyregirl Moved on

    Mike Tyson is a rough guy outside the ring. So were Carlos Monzoon, Jake Lamotta and others. So to become a fighter maybe you need a violent streak naturally?
     
  2. Simon

    Simon Moved on. Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Ali, the greatest, had a decent childhood and upbriging.
     
  3. slipthejab

    slipthejab Hark, a vagrant! Supporter

    Nope. Read up on your boxing history. No violent streak needed. Many great boxers were great people. Participating in ritualized violence codified in a form of sport isn't the same animal as being a sociopath with a violent streak. Having the mettle and the athletic ability to succeed in a sport like boxing doesn't necessarily entail a violent streak. Boxing runs the gamut. That boxing has traditionally drawn from the have-nots in society probably throws a curve ball into the numbers somehow though. I've been to many an after fight party with some of the biggest names in Muay Thai - and the calmest... most polite guys that were completely unassuming have always been the fighters. If you want to see violent, nasty tempered, drug fueled, back stabbing scum bags that are should all be rounded up and summarily shot... well then you really want to look at fight promoters.

    An example of some of the salt of the earth that from time to time makes an appearance in boxing:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_J._Braddock

    Cinderella Man was a movie based on James Braddock. A compassionate and hard working American boxer that just happened to live through the depression and did whatever he could to feed his family.
     
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2012
  4. Simon

    Simon Moved on. Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

  5. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    In a word;
    "Sterotyping"
     
  6. Simon

    Simon Moved on. Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    The current heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko springs to mind as someone who always handles himself with dignity. Certainly better than some in light of recent events.
    Wlad fights Jean-Marc Mormeck tonight and is currently standing centre ring listening to the national anthems looking very cool.
     
  7. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

  8. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    Beat me to it Hannibal.

    A modern day equivalent from MMA would be Georges St. Pierre. He is just a classy guy in every respect. Rich Franklin is another good one.
     
  9. slipthejab

    slipthejab Hark, a vagrant! Supporter

    I gotta say... I'm well pleased that MAP has a nice cluster of boxing fans who have a grasp of their boxing history. This is a swell development as it really does a lot to put to rest many of the negative stereotypes associated with boxing. Not that there aren't negative aspects to boxing... there are... plenty of them... but for once it's nice to see some positive press. :)
     
  10. El Medico

    El Medico Valued Member

    It's knowledge of boxing history which keeps me from ever watching "Cinderella Man" due to the disgusting and totally fictional character assassination of Max Baer.

    Too bad,would've seen it otherwise.

    Oh,and to the "nice guys" list I'll add George Carpentier and Max Schmeling.
     
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2012
  11. Gripfighter

    Gripfighter Sub Seeker

    legend
     
  12. komuso

    komuso Valued Member

    as a bit of a potential aside....

    the whole idea that a violent steak is necessary to me is a reflection of the obsession that modern society has with specialisation, i.e. that a boxer is a person that fights - and nothing else.

    Cobblers.

    We are all of us quite complex folk when you get down to it, capable of being good at a whole pile of things all at once if you have the necessary drive, and that also means that we are not locked into some insect like role specialisation thing - the whole angry male defender ant vibe. Shock, horror, boxers are capable of being decent people!

    end of rant....

    paul
     
  13. slickoneuk

    slickoneuk Member Supporter

    Ingmar Yohannson (sp)
     
  14. vampyregirl

    vampyregirl Moved on

    i didn't say boxers were all evil. I just wondered that perhaps a violent sport attracts rough guys.
     
  15. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Nope, as has been illustrated
     
  16. boards

    boards Its all in the reflexes!

    For a modern nice guy, have a look at Kostya Tszyu. Great boxer and a really nice humble bloke.
     
  17. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    Tennis isn't very violent, but Johnny McEnroe could be. Does that mean tennis primarily attracts violent individuals, or is it just a few individuals out of a majority?

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Nyc9jzSDg&feature=related"]John McEnroe's most famous outburst happened in Stockholm in 1984 - YouTube[/ame]
     
  18. vampyregirl

    vampyregirl Moved on

    One thing i will say most boxers are idiots when it comes to money. Look at Tyson, Holyfield, Holmes, Hearns, Duran etc. It goes all the way back to John L Sullivan who went broke. How do you **** away millions of dollars? Ask a boxer.
     
  19. Oddsbodskins

    Oddsbodskins Troll hunter 2nd Class

    I think for misbehaving and petulant aggression football is probably a far worse culprit. Sorry, soccer. S'my opinion that sports with a little more aggression tend to have better behaved participants overall.
     
  20. Oddsbodskins

    Oddsbodskins Troll hunter 2nd Class

    Or a pop star, or a gambler, or any other kind of sportsman. Are you just trying to find SOMETHING wrong with them?
     

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