Hey who knows well of Ian Cameron up in Scotland. Whats the deal with that bloke?!?! hes all nicey nicey to ya face then slates ya behind ya back. If you got something to say then say it, why all the <<edited>>!??! I have no respect for that, he comes accross as a jealous old man. Not so long after the Norwich demo he was slateing SBN Hart, i was gobsmacked. Saying all kinds of BS making out that hes crap. How the hell can he be crap hes one of the best instructors in the UK and would rag Ian all over the floor if he was his partner. Its people like that who bring Kuk Sool Won down as they put on this nice front then stab you in the back when your not looking. But also to say it to loads of students is dead unprofessional, you dont go round trying to get yourself brownie points by slateing another instrutor especially as they were all the ones in his area. :woo: :woo:
Hi Kickalot, I don't think it's a good idea to come on here and slag off Kuk Sool instructors, it's only going to cause problems somewhere along the line for other people. SBN Darren is one of my best mates and I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate you dragging his name into this. By the way, you seem to know a lot about recent events for someone who hasn't trained for a long time? Thanks, Nick
thanks Nick i understand where you coming from. Im not slagging any instructor off, merely pointing out what he said and using that as an example of how pathetic Kuk Sool can be. If it causes offence its not intended BUT if it does then thats his own wrong doing (Ian) for slateing another instructor in the first place. It is not me slagging of instructors I just highlighted the ones that do, do it, and if they dont like that then dont do it! Simple! Ive been back in the area a while now and keep thinking of taking it up again if SBN has space but its when I hear of stuff like this that puts me off as people should be in Kuk Sool for the training not all the politics!
Well I don't think that someone elses problem should sway your opinion as to whether to rejoin Kuk Sool. I'm sure SBN has space for you and it would be all training and no politics there I assure you! Bringing this stuff onto public forums just fans the flames and makes things worse.
dont get me wrong I dont mean politics in SBN's class, when i use to be there it was train and train hard, thats it, thats not what put me off. Its the politics when you go to tornaments and stuff like this kicks off, no need. Everyone is there for the same reason get on with it and enjoy it, leave the playground games to the kids in primary school!!! Can I ask then whats the point of having a forum if you cant be honest??? There is no point as that means this whole thing is pretentious!!!! :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:
The forum is here for Kuk Sool Practititioners to share experiences and journeys in there training as well as to ask questions regarding training and give answers to other students. You say you don't want to come back because of the BS and the politics but at the end of the day you are stirring something up here over something you heard as well as dragging other people into this without them knowing as PSBN Nick said. Not everyone in martial arts are in it for the same reason. Some people treat it as a way of life, others a hobby, or for competition and others for a certain image status to satisfy there pyschological needs. When it comes down to it, training under SBN Hart is not going to be affected by PSBN Cameron who is 600 miles away in Inverness. Politics in Kuk Sool only affect you if you let them affect you. When you go to tournaments where does it say you have to socialise with every instructor and student....it doesn't. Its human nature that dictates who we like and don't like. Over the years of competing I've made some great friends from Liverpool, Lakenheath, Mildenhall, London and Cambridge but I have also found people that I don't get on with due to personalities and attitudes. Just because myself and another student don't get on doesn't mean I'm going to leave Kuk Sool. At the most I'll see them mayeb twice a year at tournaments. Whats important to me is not the one day where people compete for a medal but the journey of training that goes on all year round that people don't see.
I think you are completely missing the point!! its not wether he likes him or not as indeed in every walk of life we do not get on with everone. And agree it doesnt say you have to socialise with everyone as to do that would be false and pretentious. But whats happened to the respect? do you think that it is acceptable to ditch anothers instructors ability to a set of students?? Kuk Sool use to be about respect and i think thats the point here you are all missing, i dont care if he likes him or what he thinks of him, his opinions are his own and that fine aswell but to preach them to others is wrong and thats what i dislike! My decision whether i re-take up Kuk Sool or not is nothing to do with this, it is a meer example of the politics that are continual in Kuk Sool. There are people that I do not get on with but they will never influence my decision whether to come back or not. I would just like to see everyone working in the same direction and looking out for ones fellow students, personal opinions aside.
I hate to say kickalot but no matter what martial art or sport you do there will always be politics. You are right when you say that people should not bad mouth other instructors but again this is a reflection on the individual rather than the martial art. Is one person out of thousands that practice Kuk Sool really going to influence your decision to come back. We will never see the day when everyone is treated with mutual respect because of human characteristics.....such as greed, jealousy, envy etc. All you can do is get back training and be humble yourself and not worry about someone who isn't.
Yeah.... I don't like the politics either. But the system is cool, and so are my instructors (even if I don't like them as much as I used to). So.... on with life, yes? I am also curious, what is your level kickalot?
i agree with Kikalot! Just cos one instructor doesnt like another doesnt give them right to ditch them to students especialy that persons students, how would he or anyone else like it if someone was doing it to them. Everyone has their own opinions and everyone has that right but to spread and project that on others is wrong. How would you all feel is someone was ditching you to others and be honest!!! The thing tho if you ditch someone as a person that is one thing but ditching their martial arts abilities is another, especialy when that person is of a higher rank. Have some respect! How can someone ditch a rank thats higher than them cos at the end of the day like they can do it!!
Exaclty! Without discipline and etiquette you don't have a martial art....all you have is scrapping. Like I said before everyone does MA for different reasons. Not everyone will be a natural at it and amaze people. What should outshine everything is there respect, discipline, etiquette and effort. Ability should always be looked at last when looking at traditional martial arts. Martial arts is about becoming a better person not kicking and punching. You can teach a monkey to kick and punch but you can't teach it discipline and respect. Its just unfortunate that some people feel the need to slag off fellow martial artists! Everyone can talk a good game but at the end of the day when everyone steps on the mats at demo's and tournaments thats when people see truth. What you will find is the top guys in the UK scene don't talk, they do!.. there is no BS going on, just a group of guys wanting to demonstrate there chosen art at the highest possible standard.
Exactly! Nobody in this thread has said it's ok to do that. My point is that you don't go on a public forum and tell the world someone elses private business (especially within Kuk Sool). This situation is something that very few people knew about. Now a lot more people will know about it. My question is, why post it in the first place? I think that being a blue belt means that you are in no way involved in the politics of Kuk Sool.
I agree with you in part PSBN about being a blue belt. Students shouldn't be involved in the politics but I think from time to time they do get involved unfortunately and it is down to the instructor. It is completely out of order as the most important thing in any martial art is respect! How can students learn respect when there instructor is standing in front of them bad mouthing fellow instructors and higher grades. What goes on between one instructor/student and another should remain between them. It shouldn't be brought up on a public forum for discussion or for any reason for that matter. Its there business not ours.
yesterday no one was getting what i ws trying to say and today you both agree with me, (and grooveychic thankyou) that was my point exactly!! Now why didnt you say that before! What difference does it matter what belt i am, does that not title me to an opinion! Just because i am blue does not mean that i am naieve or stupid and does not mean that my opinion is not valid. As for why put it on a forum, well my question is this, if you do not want people to know what you think of someone dont go braodcasting it around to students! simple!! he obviusly wasnt worried when he was saying it so why should i respect his privacy now and protect it! if he doesnt like it then surely thats a sign of guilt and regret! I think that we will go around in circles on this for ages so think that it should end here. A general convesration you have both blown out of proportion! maybe you should spend more time practicing than debating the ifs, whats and whys infront of a computer!
The time I spend on here is when I'm at work. LOL. Freeing up my evenings and weekends for training. LOL. Whether or not PSBN Ian Cameron likes you broadcasting this or not isn't the point. The point is that you shouldn't be bringing up other peoples business when it has nothing to do with you. It shows a lack of respect on your behalf as you are bad mouthing an Instructor. You said that its out of order being disrespectful but you are basically doing the same. Its also extremely disrespectful telling a PSBN that he should spend more time training.
Kickalot, i don't think Kuk Sool Won is for you. that's not a veiled threat or a clever insult, i really mean it, i think you would be happier in some other organization more in line with your views. seek balance. live in harmony.
