ap oweyn, i found what i was looking for; first of all, it appears i was wrong, or not wrong, but misled; the story is true, but it was written by davis miller, who i guess joe lewis says is a liar and a ninny; there is no footage i know of that shows bruce lee and joe lewis together, apart from the pictures and video footage shown in a warrior's journey; also, joe lewis says that he was more proud of the day he earned his black-belt then he was of any of his tournament fights; here is some more info regarding joe lewis and bruce lee:
That article looks like a load of crap. Just sayin, sounds like some fantasy some guys written in his diary
everything looks like a load of crap to you, master betty, but actually, that is joe lewis himself, in his own words, as well as some credible information gathered from other websites notice what it says at the middle: Gene Lebell has credited Joe as the person who "brought us full-contact karate." so you can remove my name from your signature now, please, if you would, since i'm no longer the only person who feels this way (keeping in mind that gene lebell and joe lewis both trained with bruce lee)
The point is Sekkendo is that no-one cares; no one but you it seems. Why is all of this important to you and how far has your arguement moved forward since your first post. In addition who have you managed to convince along the way? Non JKD guys argue about lineage all of the time. JKD guys could not really care less. When I actually did JKD my eskrima came fron Danny Guba (non JKD - dislikes JKD actually). My Muay Thai came from Master Sken (non JKD) and much of my boxing was influenced from the professional boxing gym in the Phillipines that my instructor trained at (non JKD). I have said before that I probably do more JKD now than when I went to a certified instructor (under Bob Breen). My own teaching is very heavily influenced by JKD, but I cannot claim to teach it as I am not certified to do so. The above could almost discredit someone like Hannibal who is actually a certified JKD Instructor because I am saying you can learn and understand JKD at places other than a JKD school. I am actually though fighting Hannibals corner because I would bet he trains under Paul Vunak because he is impressed by the man, the methods and techniques he uses and the practical approach to the combative arts. I bet if Paul Vunak called his art something other than JKD hannibal would still train there. The point is neither Hannibal, Master Betty, Kuma or myself are hung up on the terms and lineage, you are though it seems. Move on, that is what Bruce would have wanted.
BING! Give that man a "seegarr"! One of the things that resonated the most with me with Vu is his methodology - he believes you find the best puncher you can (boxer) and JUST box with him; find the best kicker (Muay Thai) an JUST kick with him; Next find a guy with weapons (FMA) and train weaons (and trapping) with them. Then a grappler (Jits) and ROLL with them. The thing is you find the best people you can get and SPAR in their field. Expose your weakness. Grow from it. Vu's personal development trail is like a "who's who" - Chai Sirisute, Don Curry, Daniel Duby, Rickson Rorion and Royce, Erik Paulson, Dan Inosanto, Angel Cabales, Johnny Lacoste........he get his ass kicked by these people over and over again - which is why he is as good as he is now Simon is absolutely right about JKD being "just a name" to me - as often as not you hear me call it PFS. I am with VU because it works for me better than anything else. If others prefer something else, good on 'em! Bruce was and still is an inspirational figure to me, who has almost gone beyond the need for true validation. That feeling in Rocky 4 when watching him training? That is not real but it really pumps me up! Bruce is often the same for me.
what in god's name are you talking about? what does any of that have to do with joe lewis? i was talking to ap oweyn and master betty, not to you, kuma, hannibal, or anybody else; what are you ranting about, other than the fact that you don't practice jkd? and how can a non-jkd person say anything about jkd which discredits an actual jkd person? you're not making any sense to me man, you might as well just not talk to me; i already had that discussion with hannibal, and i stated quite clearly that i believe there is only one jkd lineage; if you're not part of it, don't talk to me about it
It shows that Lewis or any one else is only giving an anecdote anyway and that it is largely meaningless from anything other than a passing historic interest 1) This is a PUBLIC forum 2) He doesn't practice ANYMORE - not the same as not practicing JKD in and of itself does not make you an authority anymore than being English means you are an expert on the monarchy. I have said it many times - you do not have to be a plumber to tell someone they have a leaky pipe Not true - there are numerous versions. I know which one *I* prefer, but that is not to discredit anothers path. You need to read the founders words again my friend - clearly there is something you have missed Then don't post on a public board - simple
Ah wrong, Joe Lewis did for a short while but Bruce Lee took private lessons under Gene Lebell at the same time he took private lessons under Wally Jay. Lebell did not train with Bruce Lee, Bruce Lee trained with Gene Lebell. Lets not twist history here.
Ugg hit Oog. Oog figure out better way of hit Ugg. Ugg hit Oog with stick. There's the beginning of the one true JKD lineage. You're too caught up in the name. Expect disagreement in a forum. That's why you're here, to share perspective.
Sugar Ray Leonard said in a interview in Playboy Magazine that he took the way he slipped a jab from Bruce Lee,or perhaps it was the timing of the slip he said he took ie waiting till the last second before he moved the head which is what he said Lee did,of course Lee got that from watching Ali fight movies in a mirror,so I guess everyone gets stuff from everyone. Hanibal,I dont agree to just kick with a Thai Boxer,you should Thai Box with him for a better education
Fair comment! The point was that they are the best kickers so develop your kicks with them. And elbows and knees or course, although I also use Panantukan for that (especially close in). Their hands are good, but not as good as a boxer so work your hands with a hands specialist.
by the one true lineage, i mean that lineage which stems from bruce lee himself; that lineage includes dan inosanto (and brandon lee), taky kimura (and linda lee), james lee, ted wong (and shannon lee), daniel lee, jerry poteet, bob bremer, steve golden, jesse glover, richard bustillo, leo fong, and pretty much every person who was at the los angeles jkd school do all of these people have the same jkd? no, some of them don't even practice jkd; those who do practice jkd, either practice ojkd or jkdc; some of them practice junfan gungfu (this sometimes gets confused with ojkd because dan inosanto refered to original jkd as junfan gungfu, but taky kimura's junfan gungfu looks quite different, and dan inosanto's junfan gungfu more closely resembles ted wong's ojkd); but no matter what the difference in style, method or training, all of these people trained with bruce lee that is the lineage i am refering to; and if you are not a part of that lineage, then no, you do not have the authority to voice your opinion on jkd; that's why we have plumbers, so that nobody tells you there's a $100 leaky pipe when all that's really missing is a $2 screw and it's becoming more and more clear that a lot of you guys have no credibility anyway, even if you are 3rd generation; if you spent more time training than posting on a forum, perhaps maybe you would all be able to beatup that street punk who fights all the time; not everybody is going to ride your band wagon just because you're a 3rd generation jkd instructor; keep in mind that some of us are 2nd generation jkd students who have not yet earned our instructorship; it seems to me like a lot of you guys just feel the need to argue for no reason, or start an argument if there is no debate present to argue with; my subject was about joe lewis, and you're still going off about something completely different from what was said that wasn't even said to you in the first place; get a life
Well duh! That is pretty loose though But if they are not teaching or even DOING the same thing it cannot be the same lineage can it? At best they are cousins Wrong. If you are not Jewish you can still have an opinion on the holocaust; if you are not a Muslimn you can still have an opinion on the Koran. The fact is that as long as said opinion can be articulated fully Do you have to be a musician to know if a note is off key? Do you need to be a soldier to know about military history? Do you need to be a cook to know if something tastes right? No, you don't. As opposed to you if course... I can't speak for everyone else, but I 100% guarantee that Kuma and I have VASTLY more experience than you at that - ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. And please don't concern yourself with my posting habits - most of it is when I am at work anyway. What bandwagon? Some words would be useful here..... I don't care what generation you are; you can either articulate a teneable position or you can't and you can either "go" or you can't Of course you could be a slow learner Get a life? Are we in grade 7? Being 2nd generation clearly works wonders for your articulation
