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Discussion in 'Tai chi' started by tpyeon, Nov 18, 2007.

  1. inthespirit

    inthespirit ignant

    A few more questions, if you don't mind.

    Do you consider "dreams" to be "real"?

    If something can be experienced, does that make it real?
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2007
  2. Polar Bear

    Polar Bear Moved on

    The dream is real however the content is not.

    The Bear.
  3. Polar Bear

    Polar Bear Moved on

    No because I can dream I slept with Jessica Alba and experience it but it doesn't make it real.

    The Bear.
  4. inthespirit

    inthespirit ignant

    So would you say, for something to be "real", you must be able to experience it and it must be substantial, as opposed to non-substantial (like a dream Jessica Alba :()?
  5. jkzorya

    jkzorya Moved on by request

    Sorry to be both off topic and nit-picky but:

    Sentient means "able to perceive or feel things": therefore, an ape is sentient in a way that "a system of self referential ideas" cannot be.

    A person can't just impose new definitions on words as and when it suits them in order to support their own specific world view. For communication to make any sense, we need to work with accepted definitions as they are.
  6. Polar Bear

    Polar Bear Moved on

    yes. everything real has a material or energetic component.

    The Bear.
  7. inthespirit

    inthespirit ignant

    I’m sorry if my line of questioning seems a bit bizarre, but I am going somewhere with this… I think… :confused:

    What do you make of the following two statements:

    If something is to be deemed “real”, it must exist.

    In order to know that something exists, we must experience it in some shape or form, i.e. we cannot experience that which does not exist (that which does not exist is not there for us to experience).
  8. Polar Bear

    Polar Bear Moved on

    Statement 1 : accepted.

    Statement 2 : not accepted.
    Something can exist without us experiencing. There are many things I know exist that I haven't experienced.

    The Bear.
  9. Fire-quan

    Fire-quan Banned Banned

  10. Fire-quan

    Fire-quan Banned Banned

    Do you mean like "God is everything?"

    You'll find that I used the word Julie used, in her context, if you check.
  11. tpyeon

    tpyeon Valued Member

    for the love of qi!

    enough navel gazing. this is not about god, religion or the importance of beliefs in general.

    could we stop now?

    get back to the original discussion, if there is any mileage left in it.
  12. Fire-quan

    Fire-quan Banned Banned

    You know when you were studying post enlightenment thinkers, did you happen across ontology? That might help with the glib belief that you're right.
  13. Fire-quan

    Fire-quan Banned Banned

    Well, how about we organize a get together for the UK folks? Let's just get the gloves on and see who has what.
  14. tpyeon

    tpyeon Valued Member

    and how is that even vaguely relevent?!
  15. unfetteredmind

    unfetteredmind Valued Member

    Wasn't the original discussion about what a clip of The Amazing Randi was doing on a Taiji forum? No mileage left in that I fear.......
  16. Fire-quan

    Fire-quan Banned Banned

    The only answer, as with so many things in life, is violence.
  17. tpyeon

    tpyeon Valued Member


    yes, that's what i mean.

    not all the excellent discussion that resulted from it. noooooo.

    not the effort polar bear, tao quan and others went about discussing a potential investigation that all parties would contribute to? noooo

    or how about an exploration of the use of clinical trials and the scientific method or alternatives? noooo

    you'd rather troll.
  18. tpyeon

    tpyeon Valued Member

    how on earth would violence help in this case?
  19. Polar Bear

    Polar Bear Moved on

    Of course I have studied ontology, in fact I worked on genetic algorithms for clinical decision support software using ontologies with the snowmed clinical dictionary. However, onotogies refer to the human conceptual constructions that are represented by langauge and being a deconstructionist by nature, I like to break down these frameworks rather than play within them.

    However, we are not studing that in all the above scenarios we are studying clinical outcomes from a specific treatment plan and you don't need ontologies for that.

    If you really want we can lurch head long into Derida, Foucault et al but it won't change the basic premise of the methodology I mapped out for testing the clinical outcome of the practice of qigong as a method of post-op recovery.

    The Bear.
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2007
  20. Polar Bear

    Polar Bear Moved on

    Leave it for the mods to sort out this one mate.

    The Bear.

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