Has anyone invented a new technique?

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by Kobudo, Jul 29, 2011.

  1. Kobudo

    Kobudo Valued Member

    I'm curious, can anyone give an example of a technique or philosophy that they themselves have invented, created, watever you want to call it?

    I personally don't think I've seen anything new ever. I've seen things that are new to me, but not new in the bigger picture.

    In fact, even when I've been training and have adhoc'd something I like, when you break it down all of the compnents are held in traditional arts somewhere.

    I'm throwing the guntlett out there, can anyone give an example of anything they've come up with.

    If someone can, can other people confirm that they haven't come across it somewhere else?

    I'll put my normal proviso, please don't flame, I think this could be a good conversation if people feel comfortable to come forward
     
  2. Simon

    Simon Moved on Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    There are no new techniques.
     
  3. caveman

    caveman Threadkiller

    I've invented a few actually. Only to discover later on that they already existed.
     
  4. Kobudo

    Kobudo Valued Member

    Isn't that statement a little too absolute?

    As I said before, I haven't seen anything new myself, but to say there are none full stop is a bit too full on for me. I couldn't imagine to know what someone may come up with in the future, or have come up with that I haven't seen.

    Kind of like saying, we are definitely alone in the universe.
     
  5. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    Meh. I think it's going to come down to what you regard as a new technique. I'm going to make the assumption that Simon is coming from a similar view to me, as we both came up in eskrima, which tends to talk more about broad concepts than precise details.

    So would an outside parry with my right foot forward be a different technique than if I'd done it with my left foot forward? If I'd used the butt of my stick rather than the "blade" of my stick? If I'd checked the opponent's hand afterward or simply launched my counter without checking?

    To me, I'd say no. But others might feel differently.

    From that perspective, the criteria for something being a "new technique" is really pretty high. It would have to be something conceptually and mechanically unique. And I'm having a hard time imagining anything like that.
     
  6. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

  7. robertmap

    robertmap Valued Member

    Well since I invented the Universe, I guess I must take credit for inventing ALL martial arts - no money required, just a few sacrificial virgins (Pretty ones only please).


    (Yes it HAS been a long week).
     
  8. Convergencezone

    Convergencezone Valued Member

    I inveted the internet
     
  9. robertmap

    robertmap Valued Member

    You are SOOOO going to pay for doing something as naughty as that...
     
  10. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    There are plenty of techniques in BJJ named after people.
    However even those tend to be because the person in question took an obscure or niche position and worked it until they became known for it.
     
  11. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    That's precisely the origin of "ap Oweyn's ineffectual guard"
     
  12. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

  13. Late for dinner

    Late for dinner Valued Member

    Only in Canada eh ;' )

    LFD
     
  14. Fish Of Doom

    Fish Of Doom Will : Mind : Motion Supporter

    no match for fish of doom's hairy rolls...


    ...that sounded wrong...
     
  15. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    yes, yes it did :)
     
  16. Rider

    Rider Everybody loves cakes! :D

    I would dis agree

    people now are different to people 200 years ago...and in a few generations time things will be very different i believe...people for instance...new weapons are invented...

    and to use them, new techniques are made...also techniques to counter the weapon itself

    to add people might be fighting alot different too...we never know what future holds...for instance...jeet kune do constantly as bruce lee wanted it too, throws away techniques that are believe unpractical, and adds one that are practical

    Further more...jeet kune do, karate, tae kwon do...ect

    they were not all created at the same time, so they obviously had in themselfs, new techniques and philosophy



    some would argue...that (im not trying to rip on any martial arts here)...traditional martial arts has not new techniques...but it does, teachers will show you techniques that are not always on syllabus, sometimes in martial arts the syllabus even changes or might incorporate new techniques while still remaining true to its root, background and way of teaching



    In a way i guess this part is more opinion that anything but...To me, there are new techniques...with martial arts there is always something you dont know, there is always more out there so in a personal perspective...these to me are, new techniques



    Alot of this is opinion based but i strongly believe there is always something new...if not new itself...new to you as a person
     
  17. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    The fact that any given person doesn't know something doesn't actually make that thing new.
     
  18. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    Several varieties of wrong, in fact. :)
     
  19. Rider

    Rider Everybody loves cakes! :D

    im not in the context you mean

    Its "new" to "you"...not new it itself

    Not the main point of what i mean however...times change and the way people think, fight...ect change, and new ways to deal with this are made...new weapons new ways to counter or use them...people think and fight different and new ways to counter this are made...you cannot for certain at all 100% predict that all techniques will work in the future, so new ways of doing things if they dont work, are invented...it all comes down to human psychology, humans will never be happy with something unless its 100% efficent and in the future things might not be as effective as they are now, and as humans always looking for that efficentcy and making things better...we will create what ever is efficent...for example the creation of new guns, we already have good ones...but future ones, will be better and more efficent...look at how many different sword types there are in the world, man always whats the most efficent thing for its time, and in general and will always aim higher than we have already got...old weapons are a good example, if the sword is efficent because it is a good slashing weapon, someone will make a better one that is efficent at both slashing and stabbing which in a way...a katana is the perfect example of man taking what he has and making it better, more efficent...nowadays its not used in war guns are, they are efficent...the way people fight and think, everything with time but basic psychology changes i believe and with that, new techniques that people believe are efficent...are created
     
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2011
  20. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    I don't think that efficiency is a primary drive in human psychology. I think we could all point to examples in which aesthetics took precedence over efficiency in the human decisionmaking process.
     

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