this is what I think: Grappling is better than Kicking Punching is better that Kicking Joint Locks are better than Punching Throws are better than Joint locks And Kicking is better than Throws any doubts? Nuclear bombs are better if you are not near your target.......do not try to use them as CQC tools
Range is a MAJOR factor. Can't grapple at kicking range. Also, throws and joint locks come under the term grappling.
Edited for mathematical clarity From a basic logic standpoint you've set out: kicks>throws>joint locks>punching but then you say: punching > kicking You've come full circle and invalidated yourself It's all context dependent. If your enemy is significantly taller than you it is far better to attack low than to try going over the top. Kicking his legs is an easy way to do that. You'd also have trouble getting certain throws/locks on them but not others. Strikes are complimentary to joint locks and throws.
Concerning the last 3 posts (#s 101-103). Upon reading what MACA posted, I was going to make an observation, and then I saw that both Chadderz & Sketco took it all at face value. Now I'm left trying to keep from laughing too hard... ["Can't grapple at kicking range... throws and joint locks come under the term grappling."] These truths are of no concern, likewise with these ["You've come full circle and invalidated yourself ... Strikes are complimentary to joint locks and throws."] It's plain to see that it was all meant as satire, with the "invalidating" circuitous logic done on purpose (sorta like rock/scissors/paper). Thus, when assessing the virtues of Punching or Joint Locks or Throws or Kicking, there is no particular fighting aspect which ultimately comes out on top. So we're left with the supposed supremacy of Grappling, at least according to MACA (don't forget the TITLE of this thread). C'mon, guys, it should've been obvious... ROFL
thank you Unknown-KJN! someone finally got it! this grappling vs kicking vs whatever is the most fruitless discussion in the history of MA. I thought the part with the nuclear bomb made it obvious
Heh...whadaya know. I was mostly wrong about that surf fight. Didn't realise the blonde dude threw the first punch and then went looking for the other guy. I still think having the mate on hand to make the BJJ guy effective is a low blow but the fight was pretty justifiable given the rest of it. BUT...it's justifiable in and of itself. Not because surfing somehow has some has intrinsic code that justifies beatdowns to someone that doesn't understand the rules.
When I started this thread, I had no idea that it would go beyond 3 posts, let alone 8 pages! In addition to what's been posted already: 1) We're all the same height in six feet or more of water, and 2) Kicking, Punching and Grappling is not as easy to do in six feet or more of water as it is on dry land!
Heh...whadaya know. Beatdowns from more experienced surfers wouldn't be necessary if those ignorant of the rules wouldn't be such obstinate jerks who refuse to listen & pay attention when informed of said rules, which as with most sports are merely in place due to increased safety for all involved. And just like with routy children, some folks listen better if what you have to say is beaten into them.
