i agree with you completely with most things you've said. i had a though " If they wanted to get off the couch and do something, why not take up soccer?" then i though about my situation i started for the same reason. karate was just that bit different. GKR is good, but i don't like allot of it's problems, like the recruitment drive, if some one wants to learn they should seek a teacher " when the pupil is ready, the master will appear." not nock on the door. whats wrong with fliers?