Gardening & Qi

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Do you belive in Qi?

  1. Yes

    2 vote(s)
    12.5%
  2. No

    14 vote(s)
    87.5%
  1. Yodo

    Yodo Banned Banned

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    Every master did know, that connection to the nature was the most important to maintain own harmony and balance.

    Nowadays, most of the teaching is only technics and the Qi itself is "magic".

    Lets think for example reiki.

    When you hurt our knee when you were kid, what did you do: without thinking, by instinct?

    You started to rub the hurted place with your hand.

    You did reiki, it is perfectly natural.

    But so many teachers want to mystify these things in order to get money and get status.

    So the Qi itself isnt any more magic than electricity is.

    The problem is, we lose harmony couse we dont trust anymore nature and we try to live with our brains: not listening anymore the higher energies and vibrations like intuition.

    ]:[

    When we have connection to nature, in our homes also, we are part of the Qi flow on this planet.

    It is not a force of violence but it is a force of feather and butterflies.

    Many seek big muscles and high kicks.

    But fail to seek the true depths and victory inside your heart and mind.

    ]:[

    Without nature, we are just ghosts in a shell: robots who can do things but the meaning for things is missing.

    Well, here is my small indoors garden. I hope to engourage people to plant some seeds and learn also the very small energies in this planet, instead of managing big powers.

    Often it is, that the smallest thing causes the greatest effect.

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  2. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Do I believe in Qi?

    What do you mean by Qi?

    If you mean biotensegrity then yes

    If you mean something akin to midichlorians then absolutely not
     
  3. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    I think qi or ki or whatever are just pre-scientific folk explanations for a variety of phenomena, but I love me some gardening.
     
  4. Dan Bian

    Dan Bian Neither Dan, nor Brian

  5. Wooden Hare

    Wooden Hare Banned Banned

    "Qi" is at its core, a concept. Like "love", "anger", "excitement", "strength", or "valor". All of these have corresponding scientific phenomena (blushing e.g. is a common response to "love". Physical health and good strength are signs of "strong Ren Qi").

    But bringing science into a discussion on Qi is non-sequitur, which is why Qi proponents shouldn't attempt to rectify it with science, and those who dismiss it as unscientific are forgetting that there are plenty of places science has no place, such as philosophy, or for that matter, love of gardening.

    Garden Qi comes from the Earth's Qi, the Earth's Qi comes from the Sun's Qi, and Sun's Qi comes from the Qi of the molecular cloud that birthed it.

    The ancient Chinese were keenly aware of energetic phenomenon, which is why they used the pictograph of steam rising from rice to mean "energy".

    Today in China, "Dian Qi" is even used to describe the output of electrical power generation and distribution systems. "Tian Qi" is used to describe energetic weather phenomena like lightning, and the light of stars.

    Do I "believe" in Qi? Do you believe in Love?

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  6. embra

    embra Valued Member

    Wooden Hare, that is a decent explanation of the historical context of what the ancient Chinese called 'Chi' and the lunacy of looking at this from western eyes in the context of science - simply because neither Nejia MA/TCM/Taoist philosophy + practice, or science are simple.

    Equating 1 difficult set of concepts from an ancient tradition and context, with another contemporary set of difficult contemporary concepts, is never going yield much other than vague spouting nonsense.
     
  7. Ero-Sennin

    Ero-Sennin Well-Known Member Supporter

    This picture is my first exposure to the word "Ki." Next was Dragon Ball Z. I went from a monkey opening the door to the first temple to get a crystal with a girl inside from a scorpion monster in a hunt for the Triforce, to shooting energy balls out of your hands. I'm not sure where the gardening comes in though.
     

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  8. Zinowor

    Zinowor Moved on

    Is that...a reference to star wars? :happy:
     
  9. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    Shot of my garden a few weeks ago, because I like to show off :3

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  10. Dan Bian

    Dan Bian Neither Dan, nor Brian

    The tree on the top rack, far right, is drunk... :D
     
  11. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    Tree can't handle its qi.
     
  12. Hapuka

    Hapuka Te Aho

    Not sure about Qi, but I believe in gardening.
     
  13. Yodo

    Yodo Banned Banned

    Some time ago, science laughed to the idea that humans or living things could have aura.

    Now the science-priests only call that "electromagnetic field", which has been know for ages in older cultures: and without these smelling machines!

    So now they are not laughing anymore, but as are religious people: sciencepriests cannot admit they were wrong.

    The electromagnetic field isnt the aura itself. It is the same as we would say when we see a tree moving with the wind: that the movement of the tree IS the wind itself.

    But it is only what we see from the wind, movement of tree and it is only we see from the aura, is the electromagnetic field.

    Some people can see almost as good in the dark, as cats. Some people see other peoples auras, also.

    Now the science has found these even smaller energies and vibrations through quantum science. But what more they discover, the more lost they are. ;)

    You cannot open universum with a machine and say "this machine knows".

    A very good film relating to the subject:

    http://vimeo.com/68497722
     
  14. Dan Bian

    Dan Bian Neither Dan, nor Brian

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    Ero-Sennin Well-Known Member Supporter

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  16. Wooden Hare

    Wooden Hare Banned Banned

    If this thread is headed off a cliff, I get to be the Sea Monster beyond the event horizon.

    Science still laughs at auras, and rightly so because auras cannot not be described as looking anything like the sort of thing you are describing. Put another way, the electromagnetic field of a person looks completely different from what anyone would commonly describe as an "aura".

    Thanks to you, we have moved on to describing EM fields instead of Qi. I hope your grasp of eigenvalues is strong, mine is intermediate at best.

     
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  17. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    So much wrong and so few words....

    "Absolute bollocks"


    ...yeah that covers it I think
     
  18. Wooden Hare

    Wooden Hare Banned Banned

    I just thought of something.

    Seated meditation involving nasal exhalation actually leads to a cooler human thermal plume than exhaling from the mouth!(1).

    Human thermal plume, what's that? http://www.mae.ncsu.edu/cfd/transport.html

    Is it an aura? No, it's just heat. But I can see how people could be aware of it, on some level.
    Everyone here knows when their thermal plume is on overload: you will experience the symptoms of heat exhaustion, then stroke, then you will probably die.

    Death by Qi.

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  19. Johnno

    Johnno Valued Member

    There was a programme about cats on telly the other day. They see a different part of the light spectrum to what we do, including seeing some ultra-violet or something or other stuff that other animals leave on the ground. (As you may have twigged by now, the science was a bit lost on me, but the colours were very pretty.)

    Anyway, it was interesting. But it still wasn't chi.
     
  20. Yodo

    Yodo Banned Banned

    Your attitude is against all principles to the martial arts Masters teachings.
     

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