elbows & knees

Discussion in 'Tae Kwon Do' started by franksv, Mar 29, 2006.

  1. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    An abrupt Scotsman? Could never happen! :D ;)

    Look forward to seeing you Madhoose :)

    Mitch
     
  2. TheMadhoose

    TheMadhoose Carpe Jugulum

    We will have to be carefull not to let my whisky masterclass getin the way of the seminar .lol
     
  3. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    Now, I love my TKD, and I'm looking forward to the seminar, but if your whisky masterclass involves tastings, well...

    Are you supplying the samples? ;) :D

    Mitch
     
  4. TheMadhoose

    TheMadhoose Carpe Jugulum

    Ill supply the samples if you supply the head transplant the folowing morning
     
  5. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    No deal, I've had too many "morning after whisky" heads to go for that :D

    Mitch
     
  6. Liam Cullen

    Liam Cullen Valued Member

    Thanks for the post Mitch, it's an important point that can be applied to a host of "issues" people have with TKD in whole, or with certain federations. Now, did someone say whisky...?
     
  7. wynnema

    wynnema Valued Member

    I was talking from a very general sense and you bring in an entirely isolated incident - which bears little relevance. If you want to learn to defend your self, then yes TKD will give you some useful tools, but you will more effective in this pursuit with arts such as Ju-Jitsu, Aikido, Kung Fu or any art that has lots of ground work, locks, holds etc. Fights often end up on the ground and traditional TKD has a limited scope.
     
  8. Taliar

    Taliar Train harder!


    But they tend to start standing up, and if it does go to the ground, it's usually as a result of a knockdown, not a takedown or throw.

    I'm not saying that ground work is not a vital part of your training, but that you are more likely to use standup in a real life situation.
     
  9. Slindsay

    Slindsay All violence is necessary

    Christ allmighty this thread is painfull to read. I mean for gods sake what on earth is the point of trying to provoke someone repeatedly to bash TKD? It's not like it isn't easy enough to find someone who will bash it anyway...
     
  10. Liam Cullen

    Liam Cullen Valued Member

    To show that their reasons for bashing the art aren't actually valid?
     
  11. franksv

    franksv Valued Member

    Any other tkd people drill elbows&knees on regular basis?
     
  12. Slindsay

    Slindsay All violence is necessary

    Two points:

    1. Ragnarok didn't bash the art at all in either of the first two posts he made, it took 4 one liner proddings from Madhoose to get anything like that sort of repsonse from him and even then all he said at first was that he didn't like the sparring in TKD for learning elbows and knees.

    2. He's right anyway, TKD does suck
     
  13. TheMadhoose

    TheMadhoose Carpe Jugulum

    two points
    1. north
    2. south
     
  14. Yohan

    Yohan In the Spirit of Yohan Supporter

    Aikido doesn't have much groundwork, locks, or holds. From my knowledge it mostly contains throws and a few pins. Kung fu also doesn't characterisitically contain much groundwork.

    And actually I think that saying fights "often" or "usually" end up on the ground is a misnomer. I doubt you have any evidence for the fact other then speculation and isolated incidents.
     
  15. Thankyou. Somebody can see it then. :p
     
  16. TheMadhoose

    TheMadhoose Carpe Jugulum

    I still stand by my previos statements that you are mistaken when you claim that you gotta cross train to learn to use elbows and knees.
    i understand you think your academy is the mutts nutts but what you mention as cross training at your dojang is what we do as part of out tkd.As it was a part of the UKTA school i used to train at.
     
  17. wynnema

    wynnema Valued Member

    well then you need to read up on Aikido it contains many locks.

    Agreed, but I was talking in a general sense.

    obviously I can only go off what I have encountered through my own expereince and other sources that I trust. I'm not trying to bash TKD (why would I) but as martial art for self defense my experience with the arts I mentioned sepcifically ju jistu lend themselves better to street situations.

    Of course you can still learn TKD and be perfetcly well trained to deal with street situations.
     
  18. ajs1976

    ajs1976 New Member

    Back to Knees and Elbows:

    A lot of our one steps include knees and elbows and my instructor has a pattern called 10 basic elbows that we do. The break for our orange belt is an elbow smash.

    When practicing knees outside of class I use one of the small free standing wavemasters. I lower the bag so the top is at my should height and wrap my arms around it so I am in a clinch. then I do a series of straight and angular knees.

    If you want more, you might want to look into some Muay Thai books. Muay Thai uses them a lot more then TKD, so there seems to be more information. One way they practice them is with the Thai long pads (and a belling pad). The long pads look like focus mitts, but go from the top of your hand to belo your elbow. This give the attacker more room to strike and use elbows. The attacker can also clinch and the holder puts the pads side by side over his chest, so the attacker can work on knees from the clinch. Ultimate Muay Thai by Bob Spour is the book I have.
     

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