Does effective knife defence exist?

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by Monkey_Magic, May 13, 2018.

  1. axelb

    axelb Master of Office Chair Fu

    It is sad to see this happening. I read a newsletter that the met have plans to deal with it which involve...


    *drum roll*


    Imvesting in the police!!!!

    Who'd have though that was a good idea? /sarcasmmode
     
  2. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Theresa May has the blood of the dead on her hands according to this former senior investigator at the Met:

    She denies that getting rid of 22,000 police officers has any effect on crime rates!
     
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  3. axelb

    axelb Master of Office Chair Fu

    I completely agree with Peter Kirkham's statement. I have seen him talk about this in past years and said it was going to get worse.

    It doesn't take an crime trend expert to see that yearly cuts would lead to less control in crime.

    I played simcity when I was 10 and even then it was apparent that if you didn't invest in the police then crime would become less controlled.

    Maybe Theresa May should have played Sim City? I doubt that she isn't blind to the consequences of her actions, more so that there is other incentive for her that balanced better in her/her parties favor.

    I keep an eye on local reported crimes and even in my town I have seen an increase recently, and even more so this year: violent/sexual assault, possession of weapon, robbery, theft, shoplifting.

    It almost seems as if people see the news and because it is happening and people know the police are unable to control it as well, those of that nature are encouraged to take more risks to commit similar crimes. :(
     
  4. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Part of me wonders, what with these new private police forces in London, whether the plan is the same with the health service - defund it until the only option left is for the private sector to step in and hand out jobs for the boys.
     
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  5. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Effective knife defences include...

    1: Don't hang around people that habitually carry knives for violent intent
    2: Don't go to places that serve alcohol
    3: Don't go to places you know have a bad reputation
    4: Hit them before they get the knife into play
    5: Run away if you do see a knife
    6: Hit them with a weapon of your own
     
  6. axelb

    axelb Master of Office Chair Fu

    This is partly why I keep an eye on crime statistics in my area after having some nasty experiences when I was younger, and later being told "oh that place is rough" :(

    #2 I would definitely extend to; don't go to locations of high violent crime record- there was a few housing estates which near me which were a base for known dealers, and as such you had a higher chance of a violent encounter that at a place that served alcohol, but that's certainly a good barometer.

    #7: more cardio
    #8: beware of public bathrooms ;)
     
  7. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    9: Don't join a gang and avoid people that are in gangs
    10: Don't beat up your spouse
    11: Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line
     
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  8. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    I'm not convinced that simply running away is as good an idea as it sounds....

    A friend of mine is an A&E surgeon in London specialising in chest trauma - he sees knife victims all the time
    His view is that the most common fatal & near fatal injuries are sustained from behind and often when the person tried to run away. Whereas a lot of the not-so-fatal injuries he deals with are to the front of the victim & they've fought back to some extent

    I think running away could risk becoming a rout in certain circumstances, and if you do run and hit pretty much any obstacle then your assailant will catch up with you with your back turned

    In the old Japanese styles they tend to teach the philosophy of cause damage then run - rather than just running

    Either way it's a choice between a rock and a hard place....
     
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  9. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Yep...thing is though...how many injuries does he see on people that ran away when they saw a knife and it worked and they didn't get stabbed?
    He's kind of getting the filtered results of running away and seeing all the failures rather than the whole picture.

    But that's not to say you don't have a point though. :)
     
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  10. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    Yep, extend that to basically the entire public sector.
     
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  11. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    Yes that's true

    I see a lot of instructors simply saying "If you see a knife then run". I feel that this ignores some important realities & I'm not sure that it's the best advice TBH
     
  12. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    There's definitely a balance between distance between attacker and defender and relative running speeds on whether running is the best option.
    I think if you ran experiments where you randomly assigned whether someone ran or fought back against and knife the running group would end up with less injuries overall.
     
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  13. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Also...how many people with injuries to the back started out fighting back against their attacker, realised it wasn't working and then tried to leg it mid-fight?
    That said...."running away" does need to be quantified and tactical rather than a blind panic. Where are you going, are you being followed, is there anything you can put in their way, are they gaining, how's your cardio, etc etc...
     
  14. axelb

    axelb Master of Office Chair Fu

    Are OCP building mechs for private enforcement yet?
     
  15. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    Yes - I think obstacles are a key factor in the decision
    To escape you've either got to run faster and for longer than they can, or get enough space between you to enable you to get behind a locked door, get out of sight & hide (or similar) - the latter is quite difficult when you think about it
     
  16. baby cart

    baby cart Valued Member

    Historically certified, yes. If not, why do these nobles invest in these expensive piece of scrap metal. Better than those vouch for their effectiveness with "sensei/sifu/guru/maestro said so."
     
  17. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

  18. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    As long as you can run faster than your mates, you're golden.
     
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  19. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    I don't have any mates. :(
     
  20. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Family members? :p
     

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