Do you agree with what this instructor says in this video about ethics in martial arts??

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  1. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    That's the first thing in this thread that has actually offended me. :p

    It most certainly is not like a ninjutsu lunge punch. It's a lot more like this:
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  2. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    I'm not sure MMA and boxing gyms teach to throw the jab with your head so far over your front foot it's actually outside of your base of balance
     
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  3. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Yes, I agree, and I would not have people leaving their head so undefended either. One guy near the back looks like he's doing the karate fist-to-hip thing.

    To give the instructor the benefit of the doubt though, it is something we like to train to failure, so that people get a feeling for their limits. Like I said though, this is someone who went off to do their own thing.
     
  4. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    These people??


    Simon Pither | Krav Maga Instructor | Self Defence Instructor
     
  5. David Harrison

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  6. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    First, there is a big difference between secrecy and confidentiality. I take people's confidentiality seriously, and I don't repeat anything about anyone unless that information is in the public domain or they have given me express permission to repeat it, or I can relay it without giving away any clues as to their identity if it is serving a general point and not a specific one. Sometimes, like in this thread, that works against me, or at least my ego, because it prevents me from sharing information about other people that would bolster my position. I'm okay with taking some dings to the ego though, in fact I think it's a good thing in many ways.

    Secondly, all that said was that our techniques and training methods should only be passed on by warranted instructors, and it gave safety as the prime reason for that. If you want to think that is cult behaviour, then be my guest, but I personally don't, obviously.

    I've sparred with people from all kinds of arts, even in the company of my instructor. There are members who practice other arts as well.
     
  7. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    It really isn't.
     
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  8. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Mitch..it's just like the jab GSP (a fighter with arguably the best jab in MMA) throws. It's been handed down from the Pharaohs. :)
     
  9. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    No it REALLY isn't
     
  10. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    So you can't even say, "X did Karate, Y did boxing and Z did 3 years studying ancient Egyptian shin kicking?

    Regardless of your reply, it really is ridiculous.

    There should be no secrets in the martial arts. Growth comes from sharing.

    Do the armies and police forces you've or Marbo have trained need to be secret?
     
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  11. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    No it's a koga...errr. tawara bo...errr..dulo dulo...err.. kubotan....sorry, I mean Zamora - the "totally unique to Marbo' weapon

    :D
     
  12. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    No and furthermore they would refuse to work with any group that required such conditions - individual officers can do what they wish in their free time, but that is nothing close to being a police system

    I find it strange that a WSD course is offered - if the techniques are so secret they cannot be revealed outside the group members it is awry to give them away for 10 quid to a class of women - or else the techniques taught are not Marbo of course
     
  13. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Why are you offended?

    My issue, and not just with you, is so many claim they teach boxing because they have punches in their syllabus.

    That's now four of us who said the Marbo picture isn't boxing.

    Who is correct?

    For clarity my boxing comes from:

    Noel Tibay / Lee Banda



    Tommy Thompson

    The Summersdale Martial Arts blog: Interview with legendary boxing trainer Tommy Thompson by Rocky Sondhi

    Ian John Lewis

    BoxRec: Ian John Lewis

    And my own extensive training.
     
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  14. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Ooh I forgot Ernie Alesna.

    I've never seen a bag with a dent in it before.

    Lee Banda told me his body shots were sickening.

     
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  15. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    No, it isn't. It is what I said though - more like that, mainly because there is no step through.

    Having said that, I did already criticise that photo. As well as the problems I mentioned before the legs and body are disconnected in that photo, taking power out of it.
     
  16. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    I don't know. Some kind of kung fu and various other bits and bobs I think, but there's no point me guessing.

    Regarding "secrecy", I can't be bothered repeating everything I wrote in the Pathwalker Guild thread, let alone repeating stuff I've already covered in this thread as well as that thread.

    Sharing is fine, but it's something I do with contact. If people want to learn then they come along for a few sessions and see if they like it. If you think that's out of order in some way then we'll have to agree to disagree.
     
  17. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    I wasn't. Hence the smiley.

    Who claimed it was boxing? It's not.
     
  18. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    That reads to me that you don't know your instructor's background.
     
  19. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    Why should he, I mean outside of his instructors credentials in his current art why does he need to know his history?
     
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  20. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Because it is one of the first questions you should ask of ANY teacher - respectfully of course! "What is your experience and qualification to be showing me what it is you are showing me?" is the distillation of the issue

    I can tell you the exact background of all the teachers I have and continue to have; now of course you don't HAVE to but I know of very, very, very few that do not...the vaguer the background, the less credible is a solid rule of thumb
     
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