Can you understand what Elton John is singing?

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  1. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    After the success of the "why do English singers sound American?" thread, I gotta ask another question. My daughter and I have talked about this many times, and we're in complete agreement. Elton John's music is great. It sounds beautiful, it's fun, it's catchy, it's all-around great music. We like it, and this mostly because it just sounds beautiful. (The guy's piano skill -- wow!!!) But -- and here's the question -- we have no idea what he's singing.

    A few words here and there, sure, and a line or two in the refrain, sure, we get it. But by and large, we cannot understand what he is singing. Even to save my life I could not tell you what "Rocket Man" is about. This morning in the car we heard "Crocodile Rock." Neither of us have any idea whatsoever, not even a little bit, what he was singing, but the song sounds great. We like the way it sounds. "Candle in the Wind" is the only comprehensible song that I can think of, out of, come on, how many songs?

    So my question is, can British Subjects understand what "Sir John" is singing? Is he comprehensible to his own countrymen?
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2012
  2. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    No problem here.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Ta0qCG8No"]Elton John-Crocodile Rock - YouTube[/ame]
     
  3. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    You may find this one a little harder to understand.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMSffYRiPM"]Elton John I'm Still Standing - YouTube[/ame]
     
  4. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    This one I can't understand:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ2YNKbGqFc&feature=fvwrel"]Elton John- Can You Feel The Love Tonight Music Video(HD/HQ) - YouTube[/ame]
     
  5. Moosey

    Moosey invariably, a moose Supporter

    Yeah, good old Elton does tend to mangle his words a bit. I remember when hearing this record on the radio and wondering what "On that key to you will have a nose" was all about.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmXRwjWYUM"]NIKITA Elton John Nikita /Pacuła ``*•.¸♥ Joanna Pacula - YouTube[/ame]
     
  6. dormindo

    dormindo Active Member Supporter

    I'm American and I can typically understand what he is saying, though what his lyrics may mean is another story at times. If you want hard to understand at times, try Michael McDonald (formerly of the Doobie Brothers).
     
  7. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    Okay, to clarify, I can pick out the individual words well enough, but strung together as they are the words are all too often incomprehensible. His songs are like Shakespeare plays -- I understand 99% of the individual words in Shakespeare, but when the lines are spoken at normal speed I do not understand many sentences, because the words are jumbled up in the wrong way. It's like the same problem. The words are there, but we're all :dunno:

    Remember that scene in "Finding Nemo" when cute little Squirt was telling Marlin (that's Nemo's father) how to safely exit the East Australian Current? "It's like he's trying to speak to me, I know it!"

    Is it really just my silly American speech patterns blocking the clarity of this English knight?
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2012
  8. Johnno

    Johnno Valued Member

    No, it's not just you. He sings with a weird kind of mid-Atlantic twang which makes him hard to understand on this side of the ocean too. But he also has a fairly strong regional accent, which probably makes it even harder for you than for us.

    However, I think if you listen to his stuff often enough, you can start to decipher it a bit better. When I first heard 'Goodbye Yellow Brick Road' on Top of the Pops, he could have been singing about nuclear physics for all I could tell. But after listening to it on the album lots of times I think I could make out every word.

    The most important thing is to master his twisted vowels. For example, when he sings something which sounds like 'sowng' he really means 'song', and so forth.
     
  9. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    Ah, very good. Thanks. BTW, Johnno, I hate your avatar. What makes you think any of us want to look at your bare butt cheeks? :dunno: Sheesh.

    I pulled up the lyrics on some of Elton John's songs. I probably should have done that in the first place, huh? Anyway, they don't make much sense. I think that's the primary problem: he's just not making any sense, period. After reading the lyrics I'm truly amazed that we like his music so much. I guess that's a testament to how well he plays the piano!
     
  10. vampyregirl

    vampyregirl Moved on

  11. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    I think he knew very well the name "Nikita Khrushchev" and liked the idea, considering his, um, marriage preference.
     
  12. slipthejab

    slipthejab Hark, a vagrant! Supporter

    The Rocket Man song I've always thought of as more of a Bernie Taupin creation. Elton John and Bernie Taupin have a 30 album collaboration record... that is MASSIVE no matter how you slice it. Given the time when the song was written and the events going on (Apollo 16 mission etc.) and the overall influence that space travel and missions were having on popular culture it wouldn't be all that far out of left field.

    I remember at one point thinking that the song was a metaphor for being a gay man stuck in a straight marriage. The feelings of isolation etc. But not so sure that actually matches up with the song.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LX7WrHCaUA"]Elton John - Rocket Man (HQ) - YouTube[/ame]

    But... for me it's always been one of his best songs and pretty much the perfect mix of Elton Johns style of vocal and piano mixed with the lyrical sensibilities of Bernie Taupin. I first remember hearing the song when my parents were going through a long and rather bitter divorce... so the song really stuck with me. It wasn't until much, much later that I realized how well crafted many of his songs were. Or perhaps I did realize it... I have the Yellow Brick Road album as a kid and I was too young to be tied up in heavy attachment to musical genres at that age (9-10 years old?) and so I just listened... if I liked it... I'd skip the needle back to the track I liked - funny to think about how mechanical those little suitcase record players were. :p

    At any rate... here's some interesting info on the topic:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Taupin#Collaboration_with_Elton_John

    and this in particular on Rocketman...

    http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=2892

    and I have to say I like the fact Aikimac that you are listening to these tunes with your kids. I think it's far to easy for kids to get caught up in single genre dogma and close themselves off to well crafted music... the whole 'oh I only do techno' or 'I'm strictly gargage' or 'we only rock dubstep'.... what a load of crap. Good on ya for rounding out your kids musical upbringing. There's hope after all for kids. :)
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2012
  13. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Shatner did Rocket Man better....

    [ame="http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvQwXOCKNLY&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvQwXOCKNLY&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/ame]
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2012
  14. slipthejab

    slipthejab Hark, a vagrant! Supporter

    hahahahahahahaha.... I hate Shatner. Though it has to be said his version of Rocketman is... err... special.
     
  15. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    :love: Thanks.
     
  16. dormindo

    dormindo Active Member Supporter

    I'd always thought that this was the topic of 'Someone Saved My Life Tonight'.

    On a related note, as a kid I always loved listening to 'Don't Go Breakin' My Heart'--didn't even matter then what it was about, though that one is fairly easy.

    To Aikimac, I understand now where you're coming from-his use of language and metaphor is interesting at times. 'Course you could then go and listen to something like Shuggie Otis'/Brothers Johnson's 'Strawberry Letter 23' and try to figure out what they're talking about, too.

    All in all, I still see Michael McDonald as one of the tough to understand vocalists (in English). It took me years to figure out 'What a Fool Believes' (when I first heard it as a kid, I could only make out only every other verse or so).
     
  17. Johnno

    Johnno Valued Member

    Not 'left field' at all. Back in the early seventies, songs about space travel and related subjects were very common, especially among Glam Rock acts. (e.g. Elton John, David Bowie, Bee-Bop Deluxe.) And very often outer space did serve as a metaphor for things such as strangeness, isolation and lonliness. This was also the case with some 'prog' bands such as Pink Floyd, in the early days.
     
  18. slipthejab

    slipthejab Hark, a vagrant! Supporter

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Ap66som1o"]Someone Saved My Life Tonight (By Elton John) LYRICS - YouTube[/ame]

    wow as many times I've heard this tune I can honestly say I never really knew the words. Till just now. :p



    This was a huge tune... anyone who went with their parents in the car to the grocery store was bound to hear it. Along with Super Tramp, The Cars, Cheap Trick and if I recall singers like Anner Murray and Carly Simon were on the radio alot. Oddly how songs I don't really care now for mesh with good memories... and others I do like are still great... many of the Police and Queen tunes.

    two songs that I've loved for ages but could never much make out the lyrics and when I did they were rather cryptic:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3iPP-tHdA"]A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum - YouTube[/ame]

    and
    (ROTFLMAO!!! these are obviously not the lyrics but if you read them while listening you'd swear they are!)
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCZAB3bl0P8"]Yellow Ledbetter - Pearl Jam - Misheard Lyrics - YouTube[/ame]

    oddly enough... both songs have never sounded happy to me. They both sound one beat off of a funeral dirge... and they're the type of tunes you cant listen to drinking with a gun on the table because that'd be the end. Ugh. Not sure what that is. Maybe minor notes or who knows. But can only listen to them after a cup of coffee otherwise I'd top myself. Weird.
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2012
  19. dormindo

    dormindo Active Member Supporter

    Yeah, I've got to confess I've never known the lyrics to 'Whiter Shade of Pale'--beyond the refrain that is. And even though I understood the refrain, I never knew what it meant.

    Good times. Sad times.
     
  20. Moosey

    Moosey invariably, a moose Supporter

    I could be wrong, but I think I read somewhere that there aren't any real lyrics to Yellow Leadbetter - Eddie Vedder just makes it up as he goes along each time, following a rough pattern.
     

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