Can you or anyone you know do a bicycle kick?

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by Hazmatac, Mar 6, 2014.

  1. aka The Clerk

    aka The Clerk Valued Member

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  2. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

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  3. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    Oops! Sorry, lol. Totally misread that.
     
  4. Unreal Combat

    Unreal Combat Valued Member

    If there's one thing I have learnt from visiting forums it is to not assume anything. So unless intent is made clear initially then I stand by my comment, regardless of the OP's later admission of intent.

    A triple kick? Highly unlikely to be effective, bordering on the realms of fantasy I would agree. A jumping front or side kick? Even a standard bicyclce kick? Depending on the kick jumping kicks can be very effective. Ask Eric Cantona. :)
     
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  5. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Previous form also has some bearing on it

    YKW also probably saw what I did, which is use of the phrase "more realistically" - a very clear indicator of where the OP was going with it
     
  6. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member


    Effective in what context?

    For what reason?
     
  7. Hazmatac

    Hazmatac Valued Member

    I wasn't talking about a triple kick or a high kick in my previous post, but a jump kick where my sparring partner spun as he jumped up and smashed into my head. I also wasn't implying because that is possible I think a triple kick is possible.

    Even being experienced with all that, since so few people actually try to train for a triple kick, is it not speculation? I mean, the examples shown aren't that great, but how many people do you know of that have pulled that kick off that you have seen, and how can you be sure that the kick couldn't be improved. I get you have experience, but this thread is for me to understand. So while you may be right, I am not looking for an 'argument from authority.'

    I never gave an opinion for or against the kick, unless you mean thinking it might be possible. Judging by your videos it is.
     
  8. Guitar Nado

    Guitar Nado Valued Member

  9. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    My guess is that you're fighting basic physics at that point.
     
  10. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    I assume when we talk about "jumping kicks", it always has to do with "combat".

    Of course you can do your "jumping kicks" for:

    - performance,
    - health,
    - self-cultivation,
    - inner peace,
    - ...

    but those are the "by-product".
     
  11. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter


    Show me one - ONE - video if someone doing this is anything other than a movie or a compliant demo. I will even take point sparring

    You can't can you? Know why?

    BECAUSE IT DOESNT BLOODY WORK

    It's a movie-fu special - end of

    But hey, why listen to someone with vastly more experience than you? Fill your boots - go and waste your time titting about with this...at least it's a hobby. Then when you realise you have wasted your time with it actually do some proper training
     
  12. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

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  13. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    Triple aerial kicks are common in Olympic taekwondo (in dojangs, not necessarily competition). I can do jumping triple front kicks and flying triple side kicks, alternating feet with each kick (right-left-right for example). I have only ever done them against a sturdy, static target - like a 100lb heavy bag held still by a training partner. You need something that will give you enough resistance so you can push off with your first kick. Mine look nothing like Liu Kang's. But then I haven't mastered defying gravity yet. There is no realistic application for them.

    To the OP, I'm a staunch advocate of head kicks in real fights. But trying something like a bicycle kick will get your face smashed in.
     
  14. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    You should ask Van Zandt about it.

    It's the only way he can get on a push bike.


    Edit: See. :D
     
  15. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    Should see me in a quidditch match. Harry Potter on a broom is nowt.
     
  16. Hazmatac

    Hazmatac Valued Member

    Again, are you not basing this off of only a handful of videos of only a few people? A few cases doesn't necessarily equate to nobody ever being able to do the move well. Unless you are extrapolating based off of your martial arts background which I can understand, but the point here is for me to know why it can or can't work personally not take someone's word. If you have a principle or law to contribute based on your experience then I am interested in hearing it, but that is what I am looking for as opposed to, "because I said so."

    And no, I don't have a video of my own featuring a good bicycle kick. The Jackie Chan video was good in my opinion however. It might be a bit hard to pull off in a real life situation, however unless after the first kick makes contact the other two lose power, what I see are three snap kicks. Snap kicks may not have a lot of power, but snap kicks aren't meant to have power. If this does equate to doing three snap kicks, and if a snap kick is valid, then it seems like this technique actually does work (if you train enough at it).

    A lack of videos may be more about a lack of people actually applying themselves to learn this technique dismissing it out the gate. It is not necessarily that there is no video showing it well (if there is only a handful of them) but possibly that just a lot of people don't practice it.
     
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  17. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    You really need that explaining to you? Sweet zombie jeebers....

    Why not try this instead?

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    At least I can find approximate footage of that working

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  18. TKDDragon

    TKDDragon Valued Member

    There is a vast difference between a jump spinning hook kick or back kick and a linear momentum hog like a flying kick.
    I had someone launch a single flying kick at me in a tournament once. Once your in the air your committed to that direction however your opponent isn't committed to being there, and a side step roundhouse is faster and a lot like hitting a homerun in that situation :evil:
     
  19. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    Yeah, again, I think you're fighting basic physics with that kick. Yknow that whole Newton's 3rd law thing. If you make a substantial kick with that first kick, you've used up your forward momentum, so the second and third kicks will just be snappy, tappy products of your own muscle, with no grounding.

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  20. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    Kicking has been my specialty for 25+ years. My coaches included Herb Perez, Benny Urquidez, Bill Wallace and Paul Green. Neither I nor they have ever done a bicycle kick in sparring (let alone real fights), or seen anyone else do it. It hasn't been performed in all the thousands of taekwondo matches that have been recorded (trust me I've watched most of them). It just isn't a feasible technique.
     

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