Big Pile of Longfist Videos

Discussion in 'Kung Fu' started by onyomi, Oct 5, 2006.

  1. onyomi

    onyomi 差不多先生

    Now that my Taiwanese teacher has come out with English versions for a couple of his Longfist DVDs, he gave me carte blanche to just rip whatever I want from them in order to give people a better idea of what they're like. I need to show some more of the movement and application breakdowns, but hopefully you get the idea. I'll be doing the same for his Mantis and Qigong DVDs when I get the chance.

    Anyway, this is pretty much a full curriculum of basic to intermediate Longfist forms, beginning with some relatively new ones (lianbu, gongli and shaolin) that were created at the Nanjing institute and progressing to more traditional Islamic Longfist forms from Shandong. The only major one I couldn't get into a satisfactory clip was Shilu Tantui, but I'm sure you all know what that looks like anyway. Enjoy!

    Lianbu Quan:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-xTb73wB7s"]Lianbu-quan - YouTube[/ame]

    Gongli Quan:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zorsx50Dhss"]Gongli-quan - YouTube[/ame]

    Shaolin Quan:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY2Z0IvNNz4"]Shaolin Quan - YouTube[/ame]

    Erlu Maifu:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFGyGwy38dM"]Erlu Maifu (2nd Ambush) - YouTube[/ame]

    Shizi-tang Quan (performed by Huang Weixiu, a student at our school):
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boY5No1LPQo"]Shizi-tang Quan - YouTube[/ame]

    Taizu Yilu:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy0f4Ojz__o"]Taizu Longfist Form One - YouTube[/ame]

    Taizu Erlu:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f3tybhzweA"]YouTube[/ame]

    Xiao Hong Quan:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU3Cb60oAQ0"]Xiaohong Quan - YouTube[/ame]

    Example Application from Taizu Yilu:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY_kI3ObmVc"]Taizu Longfist Application Sample - YouTube[/ame]
     
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  2. TheMightyMcClaw

    TheMightyMcClaw Dashing Space Pirate

    Really awesome stuff. I kind of want to go to Taiwan just so I can train with this guy. :p
    Do you have any more videos of applications?
     
  3. onyomi

    onyomi 差不多先生

    Yeah, there's lots more, I just have to rip them... You don't happen to know any particularly good, free DVD ripping software, do you? The one I'm using now takes forever and is very glitchy.
     
  4. oldman

    oldman Banned Banned

    Are you on a mac or pc

    I always use mac the ripper or Hand break but they are for mac could try dvd shrink that works reasonably ok.

    Oh yeah by the way the vids where a joy to see :D
     
  5. Infrazael

    Infrazael Banned Banned

    Whoa. Northern Longfist is like totally different to Choy Lee Fut style techniques . . . . . . everything is quite linear/vertical and travels in a straight path as opposed to a diagonal/horizontal path.
     
  6. 19thlohan

    19thlohan Beast and the Broadsword

    What, No yi lu mai fu?

    I learned most of those forms when I was with Dr. Yang. Funny seeing the little differences from one teacher to another.

    I'm curious as to what's on the dvd's that your sifu doesn't mind you giving away the complete set for free?
     
  7. MichaelAngelo

    MichaelAngelo New Member

    The videos reminds me the shaolin monks on a dance festival action. I think that this martial art is more for demonstration and not for real situations. Although it's very beautiful to watch it.
     
  8. Davey Bones

    Davey Bones New Member

    Uhm, you are aware that "modern performance" WuShu is in fact based on traditional longfist, right?
     
  9. Davey Bones

    Davey Bones New Member

    onyomi: great vids, I could spend hours picking them apart and dissecting them. :) nice to see a full compliment of forms from a style which mine draws elements from. am looking forward to seeing more of the applications ;)
     
  10. MichaelAngelo

    MichaelAngelo New Member

    i don't know that my friend.I just throw my opinion about the videos.All martial arts are very good but i prefer styles which mirroring real situations.
     
  11. Dai Yoshida

    Dai Yoshida New Member

    Hmmm.

    So, WC and Escrima mirrors real situation more.

    How?
     
  12. MadMonk108

    MadMonk108 JKD/Kali Instructor

    A Wingy Chingy criticizing something as being not good for fighting...

    Hahahahahaha...
     
  13. slipthejab

    slipthejab Hark, a vagrant! Supporter

    Interesting set of videos.
    Wow. When they say 'long' fist - they're not kidding.
    In some of the videos - the guy couldn't possibly be more extended if he tried.
    From finger tip to toe he was maxed out!!! :eek:

    Very different from anything I've ever studied.

    So where does this fit in the KF scheme of things. I noticed that GC said that modern WuShu takes a lot of from this stuff... who else?
     
  14. 19thlohan

    19thlohan Beast and the Broadsword

    Bei Shaolin is very similar. Some tang lang forms are fully extended like that as are some ying jow pai sets, tan tui sets, Cha chuan sets and really many northern styles.
     
  15. slipthejab

    slipthejab Hark, a vagrant! Supporter

    So would it be an accurate comment to say that generally speaking the Northern forms of Kung Fu tend to be more extended in terms of technique whereas the Southern forms of Kung Fu tend to me more compact in technique.

    Or is there really too much variation to make a blanket statement like that?
     
  16. bcullen

    bcullen They are all perfect.

    It's as billed, a long range system, good for tall people that like fighting at that range. With the many sub-styles that Longfist encompasses it's hard to get into detail but there's some shared moves between Northern and Southern fists as well.

    Incidently, the transition from Longfist to Muay Thai is pretty easy (I'm guessing it would be the same going the other way); if you strip out the hyperbole you'll find the systems have a lot more in common at the core. There's another fighter at my school who trained Longfist with the same group I did and he's one of the top fighters. He learned both systems very well and has managed to combine them; as a result no matter which background you come from you will find his approach very unorthodox and difficult to counter.
     
  17. TheDarkJester

    TheDarkJester 90% Sarcasm, 10% Mostly Good Advice.


    Northern Mantis is longfist based, but alot of the techniques are compact and meant for mid range combat.
     
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  18. 19thlohan

    19thlohan Beast and the Broadsword

    A lot of northern technique is extended like that but not all of it. Northern styles in general fight from a longer range and and use more footwork to control distance. Chang chuan is also one of the oldest martial arts in China so many of the techniques are for lunging in against weapon wielding opponents when you get the opening. However there is a saying in many CMA that "all that's small must come from big" It means that a lot of techniques are opened up and extended and lowered and widened in stance so you can feel every last bit of body movement involved. As you feel the connection and build the coordination many techniques gradually shrink down to something more practical and applicable. Also the the extended posture can be deceiving as sometimes you have your leg behind or in front of your opponent and your arm stretched out across their body ready to take them down from a very close range.
     
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  19. Davey Bones

    Davey Bones New Member

    Perhaps then you shouldn't comment. You're looking pretty damn silly right about now. Longfist provides a great deal of CMA history and basics. It is one of the most important Kung Fu systems, IMO.
     
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2006
  20. onyomi

    onyomi 差不多先生

    Here's a few more. Hopefully this gives a better feel of the full content of the DVDs. That is, they aren't just performances, they include detailed descriptions of how to perform each move and include many explanations on how to perform them correctly and apply the moves.

    Yanqing-tui (performed by Huang Weixiu):
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tdZYkMQWI"]Yanqing Tui - YouTube[/ame]

    Bagua Single Sabre (unrelated to Bagua-zhang):
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ffUu8TqC-w"]Bagua Dandao - YouTube[/ame]

    Detailed Movement Description Example from Taizu:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vv9MaTTQYc"]Taizu Yilu Movement Breakdown - YouTube[/ame]

    Example explanation on how to link moves in Taizu:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUCEEcINDCg"]Taizu Longfist Form How-to - YouTube[/ame]

    Another Application Sample from Taizu Yilu:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Fs7AEKlHg"]Taizu Yilu Sample App 2 - YouTube[/ame]


    Longfist is sort of like THE Northern Chinese martial art, having all of their stereotypical qualities in full force: big extended postures stretching the body in all directions, "practice long use short," big emphasis on footwork and offensive use of stances, relaxed upper body with power coming from the waist, lots of forms, includes movements purely designed for physical training or aesthetics, practical applications not necessarily visible to the casual observer, many hidden applications, deadly if you know how to use it but useless if not, etc.

    Most major extant Northern CMAs are descended from Longfist, including Taiji. The only major ones which come to mind that are virtually unrelated are Xingyi and Bagua. Mantis, in particular, contains a lot of Longfist. Though Longfist can definitely be a devastating art all on its own, MichaelAngelo's criticism is not completely invalid either. In some ways I think Mantis was created as a means to make Longfist more practical for fighting, raising a lot of the stances and making a lot of the applications much more overt. Of course, Mantis also adds a lot of other stuff, but I think the way a competent Longfist fighter fights and the way a competent Mantis fighter fights will actually be pretty similar, if the Longfist fighter has learned the proper means to shrinking his moves down. If you look at Taizu Longfist you can see that many of the moves appear verbatim in Mantis.

    The result is a lot of people end up using Longfist for their basic physical training and Mantis to actually fight. Of course, you can learn to be an excellent fighter using just Longfist, but you either need an excellent teacher to explain a lot to you or else be extremely perceptive and creative in your understanding. All that aside, one thing Longfist forms are definitely great for is giving you good basics and getting you in shape. Adam Hsu says "Longfist is like water." No matter how many delicious types of food and drink you choose, you still have to drink water. You say you don't need water because you have apple juice? Sorry, applejuice is still 95% water. (You say you don't need Longfist because you do Mantis...)
     
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