Becoming A Master

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by Dragon_Princess, Oct 10, 2002.

  1. Dragon_Princess

    Dragon_Princess Princess Available

    What does it mean to be a master?

    Why arent there more of them?

    What is needed from a master??

    I am 18 and have only trained MA for a year, but I think about it constantly and train a lot. Do I still have the potential of becoming a master??
  2. waya

    waya Valued Member

    "master" is just a title.... I really don't put alot of meaning behind it anymore because so many people have the title who don't deserve it. To me, noone is any higher or better than anyone else just because of how many stripes they have on their belt. We are all still students first and before anything else.

    Truthfully someone with a title like that should of course have very advanced knowledge in their respective system, and a certain high level of maturity and mentality that is above the more childish practices, being power or rank hungry, etc. The biggest thing I expect from anyone using a title of that sort is in how they treat students under them or another instructor, and how they go about helping another practitioner learn.

  3. Sonshu

    Sonshu Buzz me on facebook

    To be a master?

    In my mind this is more a title from Old Chinese type kung fu but can be added to any thing not just martial arts. The only way I ever see someone becoming a master is by other people saying he is.

    Not a title you can call yourself and I think its a title that is given to people by students that are very devout in their following I don’t place to much emphasis in it as you yourself know when you are good and its nice for others to say you are. To be a master in one art can still leave you looking pretty poor in others! Believe me!!!!!

    Master or not (and I am not) I am just happy for the occasional person saying I am good!
  4. johndoch

    johndoch upurs

    I wanna be the Drunken Master LOL.
  5. Andy Murray

    Andy Murray Sadly passed away. Rest In Peace.

    Ah Dragon Princess, you can't be a Master, only a Mistress :)
  6. pgm316

    pgm316 lifting metal

    Its true, you can only become a Mistress :)

    Not that thats a bad thing, its a good thing! But it helps if you can brainwash large groups of people into believing you have godlike martial arts abilities.
  7. TkdWarrior

    TkdWarrior Valued Member

    Master is someone who doesn't do things wrong...who is just purrfect...
  8. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    Personally I don't want "mastery".

    Mastery implies perfection - then what?

    "Perfection closes the door" --- as someone once said.
  9. taesujutsu

    taesujutsu New Member

    Actually those titlets use to maen something...but as is evedent on the boards here, they don't any more.

    It has never been about the mastery of technique so to speak, but the mastery of ones self. The ability to control anger, rage and all like that.

    Now days the whole point behind the wrods are soon as a person reaches 4th in most style they are a "master", not so, I know alot of people of high rank who has not mastered the most important thing in our lives...ourselves.

    So what is a Master? One who knows that no matter how much they know, there is still a world to learn.. :)

  10. Greyghost

    Greyghost Alllll rrigghty then!

    i thought a master was a male under the age of 16.....shows what i know......

    anyway ...those are all the thoughts i can muster, mister on masters.

  11. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    Yep - that would make sense Tae. I'm a 4th Degree, and I'm waaaay off mastering "myself" - heck, I haven't mastered shaving yet - LOL!
  12. taesujutsu

    taesujutsu New Member

    Hi Yoda,
    The fourth thihg was not at you personally. I was talking aobut here in the states. :)
    Of course the other problem I have here is letting 1st degrees who barely know wht they are doing, open up schools(not all now), The term is just thrwon around to much. If you know waht I mean.

    Again, I am sorry if I offened you or anyone else. That was not my intent.

  13. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    Hey Tae - no offense even thought of, never mind taken!

    Master - LOL!
  14. Thomas Vince

    Thomas Vince New Member

    You know you are a master when your students call you by that name. It is a title that is given by your peers, not one you claim on your own. I beleive that anyone can become a master, it is what you put into it and what you get out of it that counts. I have regional, and international champions under my belt and yet I am not considering myself a Master, too much Star Wars I think!
    PS. Although I must admit the ability to shave myself incorrectly does stress me! HaHa.
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2002
  15. TkdWarrior

    TkdWarrior Valued Member

    poopoo guys i can shave quite good... :p
    call me Master of Shavin art :D
  16. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    (((Shudder))) Nooooooooo............

    I really do hope that never happens!
  17. Tintin

    Tintin Cats: All your base...

    Don't worry about the shaving too much - facial hair is the way forward!

    By the way, how do people feel about being called master/sensei/sifu etc? I know it should be an honour to have people respect you enough that they give you such a title, but it usually just makes me a bit uncomfortable.
    Titles serve to single people out, and I try my hardest to be a member of the club rather than just the instructor.

    Any agreement, or do people think that being an instructor requires a certain amount of detachment (for lack of a better word) from the body of students?
  18. Jim

    Jim New Member

    I think the detachment aspect depends on the class size, maturity of students, etc.

    I used to be very detached and extremely firm on my classes originally (about ten years ago) but at the time I was in the military and I had a mixed bunch of students who had varying reasons for being there.

    Now we all socialise (I'm even in a band with one student) and I see my role as being an adviser and coach rather than 'dictator'.

    If you take a hard line approach and bark commands at students you run the risk of alienating them and, although we're teaching them something that could have life or death implications, we are all grown-ups.
  19. TkdWarrior

    TkdWarrior Valued Member

    hmm the things i know about the word "Sifu or Shrfu" is that it is called by ppl to show respect to Elders(head of family)/teachers/
    in west we call "Sir" or "madam" not "master" or Mistress" which would be rude in most of western communities...
    so it's very much in eastern culture to call Shrfu/sifu/Master(both sexes) to show respect...
    and to talk about dettachment or attachments with sifu/student...
    i think any sifu/teacher/Master are a way/source of learning...
    so there hav to be an attachment, it can be as advisor too... or like big brother...
    before using any of these words or symbols we should understand that there is big vast difference b/w eastern culture n western culture... some things can be take as rude in other culture...
    in India we touch feet of our elders/teachers/anyone_whom_we_want_to_give_respect to show respect... so does that make us attach to that person??
    yes n no... according ur self beliefs...
    In Indian Culture teacher is given more respect than parents because Teacher's JOB is to show path to students, In west this doesn't happens.
    so the difference b/w teacher n student will remains in East because of their tradition, teacher will never be a member of club or school...
  20. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

    To me a Master would be the head of a style. But with so many people running around with the self proclaimed title of Master/Grand Master it has completely devalued this.

    Is there an age requirement to be a Master?

    I ask because of the number of so called Masters under the age of 25 who tout their wears in a certain monthly MA magizine.

    The title of Master must be given, not taken.


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