Bajiquan vs Muay Boran elbows

Discussion in 'Kung Fu' started by Nykout, Dec 12, 2015.

  1. Nykout

    Nykout Valued Member

    Hello

    What is the main difference between Baji and Muay Boran elbow striking, both in terms of technique and power generation?
     
  2. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    The Baji elbow striking usually set up by a punch.

    - You punch,
    - your opponent blocks your "leading arm",
    - You then bend your arm at your elbow joint and change your punch in an elbow strike while your whole body is moving in as one unit.

    The whole body weight is behind the elbow striking. Sometimes you use your left hand to push on your right fist when you strike with your right elbow.

    Not sure whether the Muay Boran striking uses the similar principles and similar set up.
     
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  3. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    The CMA elbow striking includes:

    - upward,
    - downward,
    - forward,
    - spinning forward,
    - backward,
    - side way,
    - ...
     
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  4. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Do you actually do Baiji?

    You ask the same question over and over again and I cannot fathom why
     
  5. Nykout

    Nykout Valued Member

    Thank you very much. Have you trained Bajiquan?
     
  6. Nykout

    Nykout Valued Member

    I never asked the same question on this website.
    No, I don't train Baji, if I was training it I wouldn't ask these questions, since I could have just asked my instructor.
     
  7. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    Yes! Baji is one of my cross training CMA systems.
     
  8. Nykout

    Nykout Valued Member

    Nice. How much time would you say is required to grasp the main concepts of Bajiquan, including the aforementioned elbow techniques, elbow strikes, as well as the short ranged power generation? Also, where are you training?
     
  9. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    It takes at least 3 years. The Baji power generation includes:

    - compress and release,
    - move from one extreme into another extreme,
    - ...

    You may have to Google Baji instructors online.

    Here is an example of using a punch to set up an elbow striking.

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oakt1eDGAlI&feature=youtu.be"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oakt1eDGAlI&feature=youtu.be[/ame]
     
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  10. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    More accurately I should say you ask "difference between..." questions a lot

    This is fine, but unless you are actually planning on training is pretty pointless - no you cannot learn it from a book or on your own
     
  11. Nykout

    Nykout Valued Member

    I would like to learn about various martial arts concepts, in order to be able to tell whether I would like to train it in the future. Unfortunately, it is impossible to train everything.
     
  12. Nykout

    Nykout Valued Member

    Thanks again for the help.
     
  13. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    In CMA, the

    - Baji,
    - Chen Taiji,
    - XingYi Lu He,

    are famous in "power generation".

    Baji:

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kca69g1I2u4&feature=youtu.be"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kca69g1I2u4&feature=youtu.be[/ame]

    Chen Taiji:

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj6UaEay5Lg"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj6UaEay5Lg[/ame]

    XingYi Lu He:

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b03GTXoxX5Y"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b03GTXoxX5Y[/ame]
     
  14. Nykout

    Nykout Valued Member

    I've also heard that Tongbeiquan is widely known for its power generation.
     
  15. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    The Tongbei is not famous in "power generation". It's famous in "longest arm reach - arm and chest form a straight line".

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    Most of the Baji guys also cross train the Tongbe system. The Baji is a "hard" system. The Tongbe is a "soft" system that uses the arms like "whip". Both can be balanced each other nicely.

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6CuItoV548"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6CuItoV548[/ame]
     
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  16. Nykout

    Nykout Valued Member

    Yes, that would make sense, for example in Strider Clark's Tongbei videos he is also using the Baji elbows.
     
  17. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    Most Baji guys would say that if you only train Baji, you may get "bad temper". The reason is simple, when you compress to the maximum and try to release, suddenly your opponent is not there, you will get that unsatisfied feeling built up into your system. If you use the Tongbei "relax arm swing", you can calm yourself down.

    Here is a Tongbei form. It's quite soft and relax with big arms circular movement. It stretches your body and release your tension.

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsAOYmGJ-Hk"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsAOYmGJ-Hk[/ame]
     
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  18. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    To answer about muay thai, (because there is almost nowhere that teaches muay boran, like proper muay born is almost non existent even in Thailand), elbows are used in combinations and part of the clinch. Thrown from all angles, it is practiced in a realistic manner and makes them a very effective for the job. Elbows are good for cutting opponents very quickly, blinding them and allowing you to finish them in whatever manner fits.
     
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  19. Nykout

    Nykout Valued Member

    So Muay Boran is almost extinct?
     
  20. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Pretty much. It's recreated theatrically but I can't call it true Muay Boran. Tony Jaa made it famous.
     

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