article on punching power

Discussion in 'Boxing' started by Adam, Jul 13, 2003.

  1. Adam

    Adam New Member

    Here's something I stumbled across. Interesting for people not knowing much about power I thought.


    The Science of Punching Power -- By Richard Chiang

    I'd like to take a little break from "nutrition" for this article to discuss a more general topic because it's a topic I've always been interested in and because clarifying general concepts can help boxers focus the goals of their nutrition/exercise programs. The concept of "punching power" is frequently misunderstood and is actually more complicated than a lot of people think. In this article, I'll address some of the key points involved in the physics of punching power and the relevance of these points in focusing the goals of your training program.
    A lot of fighters, especially heavyweights, have told to me that they'd like to bulk up to improve power and thus began to eat more and do a lot of heavy weightlifting. Yet, a great number of fighters who do this don't seem to improve their punching power significantly but end up being slower and develop sloppy punching technique. I can think of a number of examples of this occurrence among professional boxers. (I won't mention their names so as not to embarrass anyone- but you can probably think of examples of such fighters who fit this description.)

    This is precisely why many of the old time trainers would forbid their fighters from lifting weights. In fact, during one of the fights on the undercard of the Lennox Lewis/Hasim Rahman rematch, George Foreman remarked that one of the fighters might have bulked up to increase power but did so at the expense of being able to produce the "snap" needed to generate power in his punches. George suggested that this fighter might have had more power had he been ten pounds lighter.

    On the other hand, Bobby Czyz, a commentator for Showtime Championship Boxing, often remarks that power is the product of the mass of the fighter and the fighter's speed. So David Tua hits hard because he's a good-sized heavyweight AND because he's fairly quick. Well Bobby gave the simplified explanation because boxing fans don't tune in to championship boxing to hear a physics lecture! I'll spare you a lot of the science talk as well but really quickly, I'd like to point out that power is not actually the product of mass and velocity (which is really momentum) but is the product of FORCE and velocity.

    It stands to reason that a fighter who has a lot of muscle mass can produce more force than a fighter with less muscle mass so heavyweights obviously can punch much harder than welterweights. But this observation doesn't always hold true for fighters within a more narrow weight range. For instance, there are a lot of 220-pound heavyweights who can punch much harder than some of the 250-pound heavyweights! Of course, part of this can be attributed to the fact that some of the larger heavyweights carry more body fat. But even if the fighters have a similar body fat percentage, sometimes the smaller fighter still punches harder.

    Okay, so nothing I've said so far is exactly a stunning revelation. Most of us are aware that some of history's hardest punchers were guys who were not extremely muscular but were often the thin, lanky types. Some of these fighters include Jimmy Wilde, Sandy Saddler, Bob Foster, Thomas Hearns, and Felix Trinidad. Part of this has to do with muscle fiber arrangement, which I won't spend too much time discussing because there really isn't a lot a fighter can do to enhance this particular aspect of power. (It's something you're pretty much born with). It also has something to do with muscle fiber recruitment, which I discuss a bit later in this article.

    But some of the boxing coaches out there might point out that just because one fighter can bench press more weight (and thus can generate more force), doesn't mean that he can punch harder than another fighter who is unable to lift as much weight. Indeed, it should be noted that the strength used in one type of movement doesn't apply 100% to another type of movement. For instance, just because you can squat a heavy weight, doesn't mean you can jump high. Not only are different muscles emphasized in different movements, but also different parts of the muscles are emphasized AND the muscles are recruited in a different manner by the nerves. So just because you have the strength to perform one type of exercise movement doesn't mean you are guaranteed of being able to perform another type of exercise movement effectively even if it involves a similar set of muscles.

    Going back to Bobby Czyz's explanation, punching power is heavily dependent on punching speed. Most of you know have heard the expression "speed is power". A bullet by itself can do little damage, but becomes a weapon when propelled at a high velocity. Now here's the key point- when talking about PEAK power a muscle can generate, it appears that FORCE only contributes to about a third of total power output with velocity contributing to two thirds of power output. So what this means to boxers is that they should not sacrifice speed when bulking up and weight training.

    Muscle velocity is described as the rate at which muscle fibers can shorten, which depends on the range the muscle fibers can shorten. So to maintain speed, a fighter needs to maintain flexibility. This can be achieved by regular stretching/flexibility training. If a fighter elects to lift weights, her or she should lift with proper form to exercise the muscle over its full range of motion. In addition, all major muscle groups should be targeted if a fighter lifts weights to prevent an imbalance in strength, which can lead to a decrease in mobility and range of motion. (For instance, if you exercise your chest and triceps, you should balance this training by exercising the back and biceps.)

    I should point out that muscle strength plays many roles regarding athletic performance besides being a factor in power output. If done properly, strength training can help improve balance, coordination, and mobility and can help a fighter block punches and (regarding the pros) out muscle his/her opponents when clinching.

    Some fighters have been quite successful in using a weight lifting program to enhance their boxing skills. Evander Holyfield comes to mind as one such fighter who engaged in a rigorous weight lifting program to match the natural size advantage that most heavyweights had on him. The key is to maintain speed, mobility, and proper punching technique while increasing muscle strength and size.

    I mentioned earlier that muscle fiber recruitment by the nerves is a major factor in the ability of a muscle to generate power. Basically, this involves the ability of the nerves to "fire" up as many muscle fibers at once as possible. Obviously, this can be developed through training e.g. hitting the heavy bag, sparring, etc. Much of this involves "programming" the proper neural recruitment patterns into the muscles so as many muscle fibers as possible can be coordinated to produce a smooth, effective movement. Compare a beginning weightlifter with an experienced weightlifter, and you'd probably observe that the lifting technique of the inexperienced lifter is much "choppier" than the technique of the experienced lifter.

    Yet at some point, an individual reaches a limit and is unable to improve neural recruitment ability. It is believed that genetics plays a major role in this. However, many exercise physiologists and coaches nowadays believe that individuals may be able to improve beyond what was previously thought to be their natural limitation through such techniques as plyometrics. Plyometrics. is heavily used in such sports as certain track and field events. Many boxers are now experimenting with these types of exercises, but these exercises should be used with caution. Plyometrics. exercises may not feel particularly stressful while they are actually performed but can rapidly stress the muscles and lead to injury and over training if not done correctly.

    So far I have been discussing power in the pure sense. This is an abstract concept and several more factors are involved in the ability to produce a hard punch. People often ask me questions like- "Who was the better puncher, Mike Tyson in his prime or George Foreman?" or "Who hit harder- Joe Louis or Max Baer?" Again, to even begin analyzing those comparisons, one has to establish one's definition of "power".

    I recently saw a toughman competition in which these two big guys were just flailing away with punches at each other virtually nonstop but couldn't hurt one another throughout the entire fight! Without proper technique, all the power in the world won't do any good if it doesn't reach its target with precision and accuracy. "Power" as defined in boxing isn't simply the ability to generate a lot of muscular force at a high velocity, but as the amount of damage that a boxer can produce with a given punch. This is based on several additional factors including accuracy, timing, and even defense. (For instance, it's hard to get set to throw a hard punch if your opponent's jabs are constantly knocking you off balance!)

    I realize that this is boxing 101 (really basic stuff!) for most of my readers since a lot of you guys are experienced boxers or coaches. But for the benefit of those who may be just starting out, you should be aware that a lot of people who learn to box for the first time often complain that they can't produce much power the way boxing coaches make them punch. That's because boxers are trained to land punches accurately and without compromising defense. As any boxing coach can tell you, just about anyone can look and sound powerful when hitting the heavy bag, but a good puncher is someone who can apply that power in a fight!

    Finally, the last factor I want to discuss is muscle endurance and the availability of "fuel" for the muscles throughout competition. If you only had to throw one punch, then you wouldn't have to worry about eating enough carbohydrates and drinking enough water to make sure your muscles can maintain a high power output for several rounds. But clearly, power output can drop dramatically if the body's glycogen supply is diminished or if the fighter becomes dehydrated. Therefore, it's important to eat enough carbohydrates and drink enough fluids during the days and hours leading up to competition.

    Also, creatine depletion in the muscles can result in decreased power, which is why some fighters elect to use creatine supplements to help them maintain a high power output during a fight. The efficacy of this practice is debatable, and I discuss this topic in my most frequently asked questions list, which you can find in the articles archives. In addition, lactic acid accumulation in the muscles can also cause the fighter to lose power especially when competing in twelve round bouts.

    This article was a little bit of a treat me for because being an avid boxing fan and analyst, I wanted the opportunity to address some of the fundamental concepts of boxing. In practice, the concepts presented in this article boil down to the fact that bulking up and increasing muscle size can be counterproductive if not done correctly and for the right reasons. However, if speed, flexibility, mobility and technique can be maintained, then increases in muscle size and strength can be very beneficial for some fighters.
     
  2. Rob_InDaUk

    Rob_InDaUk Grandmaster Sandwich

    Nice post Adam, very informative :D

    Rob
     
  3. MATT_LIQUID

    MATT_LIQUID New Member

    I'm going to post this article on another forum. I will give credit to "Richard Chiang".
     
  4. Tosh

    Tosh Renegade of Funk

    The same applies to kicking power.
     
  5. MATT_LIQUID

    MATT_LIQUID New Member

    Sqauts are good for explosive takedowns though.
     
  6. shotokanwarrior

    shotokanwarrior I am the One

    what do you mean by takedowns?
     
  7. Adam

    Adam New Member

    A takedown = A throw, slam or shoot designed to "take somebody down" to the ground.
     
  8. Ad McG

    Ad McG Troll-killer Supporter

    Nice article. It addresses all those people who say stuff like "nooooooo, don't build up when you're a martial artist, it will hinder your performance" etc.
     
  9. SenseLess

    SenseLess Young and Eager to Learn

    gr8 post!!!
     
  10. cybermonk

    cybermonk New Member

    Good article, it covers why some big guys at the gym cant punch as hard as they should be able to.
     
  11. b33p

    b33p New Member

    so that is cleared up for you, are there any questions ??? :)
     
  12. geves

    geves Valued Member

    bas rutten once said that when he goes into gyms he takes dumbells and punches with them. He says that alot of the muscle bound weight lifters always walk up to him and say "you're doing it all wrong". and responds by saying "i train to be a fighter, not a f***** body builder" and it seems to work well for him well in the ring.

    I'm not sure what other people would say about punching while holding weights, but according to the article it seems like it would make good sense.

    what do you guys think of this style of weight training?
     
  13. redsandpalm

    redsandpalm shut your beautiful face

    Well, I like Bas Rutten but.... seems to me that for a straight punch, for example, he would end up working on his central deltoids, rectus abdominus and traps more than the muscles needed to punch (pec/front deltoid/tricep/all forearm/external & internal obliques/interior abdominus etc.) unless he uses really light dumbells and punches fast? It doesn't really add up for me in my head. I still think that if you want to punch hard, punch a heavy bag as hard as you can for as long as you can - that'll work you out. If your looking to weights to help your punch, I'd suggest squats first (better base for punching off of). Bas definitely got one thing right though - body builders aren't the best guys to ask about fighting. I've had to take a few of them on before and they punch like girls.
     
  14. alex_000

    alex_000 You talking to me?

    Ive already readen it , but its a good article.
     
  15. Weasel

    Weasel New Member

    My boxing coach told me that if you punch with dumbells, you will wreck many of the tendons in your arms, as well as your elbow joints, and that punching with dumbells develops improper form, because all of the resistance is at the beginning of your punch.

    I've heard that using those resistance cord dealies work well for developing explosive power, since they give resistance throughout the full range of movement.

    Poster's note: It is entirely possible that everything I have said in the above post is wrong.
     
  16. animefreak88

    animefreak88 Valued Member

    i've done this a few times, and my punches "feel" faster shortly after, and doing this frequently can create some improvement in punching speed, but since i started doing more research (mainly thanks to and through this site), i found that there are much better alternatives. Its much more effective to do seperate training for building muscle strength (maybe through bodyweight exercises, but probably weights) and training for fast muscle recruitment.

    for example, i might do 5 sets of 5 of some exercises (lets say bench press and barbell rows) to build strength one training day of the week. the next day i train, i might do lighter weights with higher reps, lets say 3 sets of 15. during these 3 sets, i'll do the concentric part of the rep (the pushing in a bench press, standing back up in squat, etc.) as fast as i can. that same day or another training day, i might also hit the heavy bag with explosive attacks. day one builds strength, and day two (or days two and three) build the muscle recruitment.

    that's quite a bit more efficient than punching with dumbells in hand, and easier on your joints too.
     
  17. redsandpalm

    redsandpalm shut your beautiful face

    :D
     
  18. ryangruhn

    ryangruhn Valued Member

    Great write up. It brings up some good points.
     
  19. Shisochin

    Shisochin New Member

    ..............Generation of power...........not just strength..............but with speed.
    The article - eye opening............
     
  20. Xith

    Xith New Member

    Hehehe, general physics.... force = mass x acceleration.

    I agree with most everyone else, weight training is fine as long as it isn't extreme. I noticed some people mentioning tense muscles from extreme weight training, and that directly results in a slower punching speed. At our school I actually had a few guys who were into extreme weight training, one couldn't fully extend his arm (too tense), which basically crippled his punches completely. It also is a bit dangerous, since the very tense muscles are more opened to being strained and damaged, which hurts punching power and makes you extremely vunerable to arm locks. As a general note I would say weight train in moderation, alternate between exercises and don't over do it(as I know most are saying).
     

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