Adam Mizner?

Discussion in 'Tai chi' started by EmptyHandGuy, Apr 20, 2020.

  1. 2020

    2020 New Member

    Learning about any martial art via forums is a step below getting a black belt from youtube.

    Just about everyone will try to deter you from looking into an art that is not theirs, that's why they practice it, they opine their system is the best.

    I would say go out there, find a person who claims to be able to do the same things as you see in those videos and ask for a demonstration and/or lessons.

    A true martial artist, will be happy to train with you.

    Also, be weary of people who claim to know something without having tried it. In my experience, those who claim to know everything lost their way and circled back to before they started training; at least when they started, they understood they did not know everything.
     
  2. Dan Bian

    Dan Bian Neither Dan, nor Brian

    Really, there's a lot of words in a post that says very little whilst trying to sound wise.

    "Learning about any martial art via forums is a step below getting a black belt from youtube."
    - Not at all. The ability to discuss with a wide range of people, with a range of different experiences, is of great benefit when investigating where to learn a new skill such as Taijiquan. If the overwhelming majority of these people are of a similar opinion, that offers a good general consensus on the topic at hand. In no way is this similar to getting a blackbelt from youtube.

    "Just about everyone will try to deter you from looking into an art that is not theirs, that's why they practice it, they opine their system is the best."
    - Again, not at all. I certainly haven't seen that anywhere else in this thread. If there were Karate folk, MMA folk and BJJ folk in the thread saying "forget tai chi, come and learn Karate/MMA/BJJ" then you might have a point. However I believe everyone who has responded to this thread is, in-fact, a practitioner of Taijiquan. Again, with a wide range experience levels, across different styles and schools of the art. If such a wide spread of folk all suggest that someone is not what they seem, that's a good indication.

    "I would say go out there, find a person who claims to be able to do the same things as you see in those videos and ask for a demonstration and/or lessons."
    - Here I agree. First hand experience can be the great leveller. IF the newcomer has a frame of reference in which to view the material they are witnessing first-hand. If not, a good snakeoil salesman can bamboozle a newcomer if they're not alert.

    "A true martial artist, will be happy to train with you."
    - Define a 'true martial artist'?

    "Also, be weary of people who claim to know something without having tried it. In my experience, those who claim to know everything lost their way and circled back to before they started training; at least when they started, they understood they did not know everything"
    - Again, I don't think anyone here is claiming to know everything. Purely reflecting on our own experiences and knowledge, and using that to say "emitting Chi through a pepper is nonsense".
     
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  3. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Thanks for posting Adam Mizner/Adam Mizner accolyte, that makes perfect sense.

    Next up: why listening to reviews from current students isn't objective, and why survivorship bias is important to understand.
     
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  4. axelb

    axelb Master of Office Chair Fu

    :D that's exactly how I read it @Dead_pool

    Adam Milzner: Xu Xiaodong is still waiting for his invitation
     
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  5. El Medico

    El Medico Valued Member

    Especially a diverse forum with ring fighters,self defense specialists,law enforcement officers,security personnel,members of classical ryus,"traditional" practitioners,etc.Including people with 40+ years in MAs.

    Can't argue with that.You'll find all the T'ai Chi practitioners here trying to convince the BJJ folks they've gone down the wrong path.:rolleyes:

    I would say TC people need to have enough guts to show themselves free sparring and not be concerned about loss of face when it is shown that they too are human and will sometimes get smacked by their own students.Many people have certain skills,good skills.But anyone not a senior citizen teaching it as a fighting system should be able to stand and show.I don't mean demos or ph comps.

    Which I guess excludes those TC teachers who have declined my invitations to get together for some purely friendly training. This even included a lineage disciple of one of the TC families. What are they scared of? Intimidated by my greater number of years in TC than themselves? Geez,we're supposed to be in this together!

    While it is true that some condemn that which they do not understand/know about -we've had numerous threads about particular demos or push hands vids- it is reasonable for people to expect more than just demonstrations.

    Personally I grow weary of individuals touted as the best thing since sliced bread and never showing anything but demos and ph/ph comps. This includes members of certain lineage families who may be excellent teachers with good skills but we have yet to learn if they've ever had their noses bloodied outside their own circle,or even within it.
     
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  6. El Medico

    El Medico Valued Member

    sorry,double posted.
     
  7. Internal warrior

    Internal warrior New Member

    To clarify about Adam Mitzner.
    I have just joined this site 24th July 2021 to explain the delay in replying.
    I have not trained under Adam Mitzner, But I trained under the late Wong Kit Po in Perth Australia.
    They were both students of Master Huang Sheng Shyan (I have seen other spellings of his name)
    He was a student of Chen Man Ching.
    When I first joined Master Wong's class and saw him demonstrate, I thought it was fake.
    Having studied Kyokoshen Karate (One of the hardest of them all) check it out if you doubt me.
    And also doing Tai Quan Do I was a hard external advocate.
    I went on a path of internal styles. Tai Chi Chuan (NOT Tai Chi) Old people attempt Tai Chi.
    I was strong I was just over six foot, I could fight. The early stages was not for demonstration.
    A few years in, I was given the privilege of being called up. Believe me, IT WAS NOT FAKE. He was shorter than me about 5ft 7 in.
    I flew off the ground and landed about 4ft away like I was a rag doll. My strength was no match.
    It happened again and again. Yes, occasionally I could land a punch, but never of any significance.
    Once my punch bounced me off his body and shook me up so much, I was sore for a few days.
    The most difficult part of learning Tai Chi Chuan is to let go . I was reluctant with my strength. IT WAS HARD
    I eventually got the hang of it. Not to the level of my Sifu or Adam Mitzner, but enough against lesser opponents.
    When it first happened, I actually asked my partner if he jumped on purpose. It felt like I had tossed aside a an empty can or the like.
    Adam will not lower himself by accepting challengers just to feed your ego.
    Grow some balls, and go to him and find out for yourself. Without the hoop-la, of an arranged tournament. Prove it to yourself.
    It's easy to rubbish someone from afar. His art is internal. You will never understand it .
    My friend, a 7th Dan Aikido master will attest to what I have said. Stop blowing your own trumpet, and put yourself on the line.
    Not by challenging from afar. You want to prove it, you do the travelling.
    The art is real. I can't do it that well, but having experienced it for myself, I laugh at fools who label it a fake.
     
  8. Dan Bian

    Dan Bian Neither Dan, nor Brian

    An advocate of Kyokushin and TaeKwonDo might be able to spell them correctly.

    I suspect the rest of your post is nonsense too.
     
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  9. Internal warrior

    Internal warrior New Member

    You (personal insult deleted), They are both spelt in their own language, and there is no official interpretation. If that is all you are going on, then you are the wanting one. I can demonstrate the art. so have a great day.
     
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  10. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    That's what I love about the internal arts, the sense of calm that it's students have, based on their totally applicable physical skills.
     
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  11. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Absolutely, it's always refreshing to bathe in the tranquility of those who have dissolved the aggression of external arts through internal alchemy. It never fails to leave the impression that internal arts are just... superior.

    I've never seen someone get thrown clear across the cage by their own energy in the UFC, so internal martial artists must be a lot better at fighting, as well as being noble, enlightened beings. I don't know why anyone bothers with anything else to be honest...
     
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  12. axelb

    axelb Master of Office Chair Fu

    It's probably a good job that these humble tranquil students of these internal arts don't compete in the UFC otherwise there would be so many lawsuits from injuries or even deaths, and embarrassed fighters who wasted their lives on the fickle ego filled external martial arts.
     
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  13. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    Mod Warning: Internal Warrior. Personal insults are absolutely not allowed on MAP. Stick to the topic and stay away from attacking the person. Our Terms of Service can be found by clicking on the "terms and rules" button on the bottom right hand corner of every page.
     
  14. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    Oh, where to begin. I am on other web sites and FB pages. Plenty of people have attempted to actually challenge Mizner in person in various ways. Including showing up at his seminars AND offering to travel to where he is. He avoids them. He refuses demonstrate his "jalapeno pepper" fajing power on any but those avid followers going along with him.

    You are mixing up two topics here. The practicality of Internal arts and the validity of Adam Mizner and his teachings. Those are two topics you mix up and talk about like it is a single topic. It isn't. There are plenty of internal artist practitioners on here and elsewhere who aren't doubting the usefulness of Internal martial arts. Just that particular artist.
     
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  15. Tom bayley

    Tom bayley Valued Member

    but he started learning tie chi by doing kung fu in an tie chie style, and every body knows that is a real thing :)
     
  16. Dan Bian

    Dan Bian Neither Dan, nor Brian

    *Tai Chi
    Not Tie, not Chie.

    And to "Internal Warrior", there are correct, internationally recognised ways to Romanise written languages such as Japanese, Chinese, Korean etc.
     
  17. Tom bayley

    Tom bayley Valued Member

    so wots Ki then?
     
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  18. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

    What bout Teye Chee :)
     
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  19. Dan Bian

    Dan Bian Neither Dan, nor Brian

    In what context?
     
  20. Tom bayley

    Tom bayley Valued Member

    in the context of talking about chie, chi, chee, or chi or as some use the word Ki (does this refer to the same thing or different)?
     

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