Adam Mizner?

Discussion in 'Tai chi' started by EmptyHandGuy, Apr 20, 2020.

  1. 2020

    2020 New Member

    Learning about any martial art via forums is a step below getting a black belt from youtube.

    Just about everyone will try to deter you from looking into an art that is not theirs, that's why they practice it, they opine their system is the best.

    I would say go out there, find a person who claims to be able to do the same things as you see in those videos and ask for a demonstration and/or lessons.

    A true martial artist, will be happy to train with you.

    Also, be weary of people who claim to know something without having tried it. In my experience, those who claim to know everything lost their way and circled back to before they started training; at least when they started, they understood they did not know everything.
     
  2. Dan Bian

    Dan Bian Neither Dan, nor Brian

    Really, there's a lot of words in a post that says very little whilst trying to sound wise.

    "Learning about any martial art via forums is a step below getting a black belt from youtube."
    - Not at all. The ability to discuss with a wide range of people, with a range of different experiences, is of great benefit when investigating where to learn a new skill such as Taijiquan. If the overwhelming majority of these people are of a similar opinion, that offers a good general consensus on the topic at hand. In no way is this similar to getting a blackbelt from youtube.

    "Just about everyone will try to deter you from looking into an art that is not theirs, that's why they practice it, they opine their system is the best."
    - Again, not at all. I certainly haven't seen that anywhere else in this thread. If there were Karate folk, MMA folk and BJJ folk in the thread saying "forget tai chi, come and learn Karate/MMA/BJJ" then you might have a point. However I believe everyone who has responded to this thread is, in-fact, a practitioner of Taijiquan. Again, with a wide range experience levels, across different styles and schools of the art. If such a wide spread of folk all suggest that someone is not what they seem, that's a good indication.

    "I would say go out there, find a person who claims to be able to do the same things as you see in those videos and ask for a demonstration and/or lessons."
    - Here I agree. First hand experience can be the great leveller. IF the newcomer has a frame of reference in which to view the material they are witnessing first-hand. If not, a good snakeoil salesman can bamboozle a newcomer if they're not alert.

    "A true martial artist, will be happy to train with you."
    - Define a 'true martial artist'?

    "Also, be weary of people who claim to know something without having tried it. In my experience, those who claim to know everything lost their way and circled back to before they started training; at least when they started, they understood they did not know everything"
    - Again, I don't think anyone here is claiming to know everything. Purely reflecting on our own experiences and knowledge, and using that to say "emitting Chi through a pepper is nonsense".
     
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  3. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Thanks for posting Adam Mizner/Adam Mizner accolyte, that makes perfect sense.

    Next up: why listening to reviews from current students isn't objective, and why survivorship bias is important to understand.
     
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  4. axelb

    axelb Master of Office Chair Fu

    :D that's exactly how I read it @Dead_pool

    Adam Milzner: Xu Xiaodong is still waiting for his invitation
     
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  5. El Medico

    El Medico Valued Member

    Especially a diverse forum with ring fighters,self defense specialists,law enforcement officers,security personnel,members of classical ryus,"traditional" practitioners,etc.Including people with 40+ years in MAs.

    Can't argue with that.You'll find all the T'ai Chi practitioners here trying to convince the BJJ folks they've gone down the wrong path.:rolleyes:

    I would say TC people need to have enough guts to show themselves free sparring and not be concerned about loss of face when it is shown that they too are human and will sometimes get smacked by their own students.Many people have certain skills,good skills.But anyone not a senior citizen teaching it as a fighting system should be able to stand and show.I don't mean demos or ph comps.

    Which I guess excludes those TC teachers who have declined my invitations to get together for some purely friendly training. This even included a lineage disciple of one of the TC families. What are they scared of? Intimidated by my greater number of years in TC than themselves? Geez,we're supposed to be in this together!

    While it is true that some condemn that which they do not understand/know about -we've had numerous threads about particular demos or push hands vids- it is reasonable for people to expect more than just demonstrations.

    Personally I grow weary of individuals touted as the best thing since sliced bread and never showing anything but demos and ph/ph comps. This includes members of certain lineage families who may be excellent teachers with good skills but we have yet to learn if they've ever had their noses bloodied outside their own circle,or even within it.
     
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  6. El Medico

    El Medico Valued Member

    sorry,double posted.
     

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