Discussion in 'Brazilian Jiu Jitsu' started by Rhea, Apr 6, 2008.
I think any woman who starts a martial art and steps on the mat is due a certain amount of respect.
Any more than a man? I disagree
You disagree with what I said, or with what you seem to think I said?
You should always show any training partner respect. The time that you don't is the time you are not welcome on the mat yourself.
That would depend on the training partner. For the majority yes, in BJJ it might be everyone. It's not the case in all the arts though.
I left MMA as I found if was useless when going up against guys. I started karate and my confidence in myself was greatly improved
Confidence not backed up by ability is almost never a good thing. Not saying that's necissarily the case here but be honest with your self, is karate actualy making you a better fighter than MMA was or is it just letting you feel like one.
Rhea you're one good fighter. Though I don't really think BJJ and MMA are the best martial arts for women, what matters most is how you value the sports and you're dedication to learn.
Why don't you think MMA and BJJ are the best martial arts for women?
oh you had to open that can of worms didnt you
Yes, I did, absolutely!
you know learning how to grapple and fight on the ground against a larger opponent is of no use to a woman dont you, especially in a self defense situation....i mean learning to deal with a man on top of you or trying to take you down is just silly....you understand that right?
Absolutely, it is a total and complete waste of time. All women should stick to cardio kickboxing so as not to ruin their make up1
Extremely useful. But, what are the most common Habitual Acts Of Violence faced by women, and how are they best trained for? Is it via BJJ?
To be honest with you, I have no idea. But BJJ (or Judo) is definitely worthwhile studying for a woman interested in self defence applications. Is it the best style, probably not as it does specialise in the groundwork and to a lesser extend throwing aspects of self defence and doesn't include striking, stand up locks or weapons skills which I also think are worth while knowing.
I went to look this up a while back, and now here's a perfect opportunity to mention it.
Numbers drawn from the 2009 Criminal Victimization survey here in the US, as conducted and published by the US Department of Justice:
- Violent crime is broken down into rape/sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault.
- There were 2,283,200 male victims of violent crime in the US in 2009, and 2,060,250 female victims of violent crime.
- Simple assault made up the bulk of both figures (1,404,760 male victims of simple assault and 1,455,650 female victims).
- Rape and sexual assault figures show that there were a reported 19,820 male victims in contrast to 106,100 female victims in 2009.
- In all categories, strangers (persons not known to the victims) were more likely to be the offender when in the case of a male victim. In all cases but robbery, the offender is likely to be a non-stranger when in the case of a female victim.
In short, the take-home message - at least for me - is that self-defense for women is probably going to be less about who you run into on the street, and more about who you invite into your home. I suspect that these sorts of trends are not unusual if one were to compare them to other countries outside the US. Given the skew in terms of rape and sexual assault statistics, I'd think BJJ would be a particularly excellent choice for women.
What she said
BJJ is an awsome martial art for women. As its stuctured the higher the belt the tecniques you learn are for bigger stronger opponets. Seeing as the vast majority of women are on the smaller weaker side the initial start/progress in BJJ may be slow but it is still well worth it.
I have read and agree with different sources that smaller/women would be better off NOT rolling with white belts. Even if you go against a semi agreeable blue belt male your chances of getting manhandeled or injured are far slimmer even if it mean you will be losing more at the start.
I did have to edit this after reading more reponses. No one should know the validity of other martial arts forms. Karate or at least the self defense aspects of a system of Kenpo or real Krav Maga in addition to ground work is way more protective than MMA or bjj alone.
Transitioning from a kenpo wrist grab defense to a takedown to a submission is a far more wise action than sticking to your basic cardio mma or ground workclass.
Well, having knowledge of a striking-based martial art is going to be helpful if you're training for self defense purposes. I think that's sort of a given, to say nothing of the fact it often provides an excellent fitness activity that is complementary to grappling.
Of course, as I pointed out above, the more likely scenario seems to be that women are statistically more likely to find themselves in a situation where their attacker is someone for whom they wouldn't consider them touching their wrist or shoulder to be problematic.
thanks for the article!
Great Job!! It's a shame there aren't more women in MA. I have a ton of respect for my female training partners. Speaking as a man, I feel let down by my peers that you get men groping women during training. My instructor would throw them straight out the door if he found anyone in his classes doing that.
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