YouTube tips (or anything else) for taking balance

Discussion in 'Judo' started by aikiMac, Apr 12, 2016.

  1. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    I've recently taken up freestyle judo (had 4 classes so far), and I've decided that my chief problem is taking balance with these grips. I've done enough aikido and whatnot to understand the body mechanics of the throws and the idea of circles and "when he pushes, pull," but shifting uke's balance with these grips so as to make an entry, when he's holding onto me ... Ya, that. That's new to me.

    Does anyone know of any good YouTube videos specifically on this? It could be for particular throws, or in general.

    Or any training tips for this?
     
  2. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

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  3. Langenschwert

    Langenschwert Molon Labe

    Yeah, pretty much.

    As a judo green belt, I can show you exactly how NOT to do it. ;)

    However, one of the hardest things is to recognize when the kuzushi has done its job. As a general rule, if you can tip someone over more than 30 degrees, there's a good chance you can take them down. Sometimes you'll get a really good kuzushi and think "oh, I should have done something there". For me, it's more like "why won't these nice people fall down?????" :D

    Another visualization that I've been told for other martial arts is to imagine a line that connects the opponent's feet. The further the head is outside that line, the more easily he'll fall.

    Maybe that will help. I've only been doing Judo for a couple of years, so take everything I say with pound of salt.
     
  4. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    :eek: :thinking: That actually makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

    Ya, I'm familiar with that. "Where the head goes, the body follows," idea.
    I'm just not used to starting from mutual grabs. :)
     
  5. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    Most of the time when you have 2 grips on your opponent, at the same time, your opponent also has 2 grips on you. When that happen, it's a "dead lock" situation and it's very difficult for both you and your opponent to do anything. When you try to move in on your

    - right side, your opponent's left hand will push your right side back.
    - left side, your opponent's right hand will push your left side back.

    When that happen, you should

    - remain your sleeve grip (your major grip),
    - give up your lapel grip (your minor grip),
    - use that free hand to break one of your opponent's grips (usually you use your right hand to break his left grip, or use your left hand to break his right grip).

    Since your opponent can't throw you with just 1 grip, you have temporary put him in defense mode. When he tries to regain his 2nd grip, you

    - use your free arm to deflect his arm,
    - don't let him to obtain his grip,
    - use your free hand to get your 2nd grip (or just your 2nd contact point), and
    - apply your throw.

    In other words, you and your opponent will fight on that free hand. Whoever can get that successful 2nd grip first will have advantage. This is why it's called
    "grip fight". This kind of "grip fight" may be repeated many times before a successful throw can happen. It take good patient.

    In the following clip (It's not a Judo clip, but the idea is the same). Both have 2 grips on each other. One tries to use his right hand to break away his opponent's left grip 3 times.

    - The 1st time (at 0.02), when he tries to get his 2nd grip, his opponent gets that 2nd grip first. Even if he can still get his 2nd grip, the "dead lock" situation happen again.
    - The 2nd time (at 0.06), his opponent's left grip is too strong and he can't break it.
    - The 3rd time (ar 0.09), he can obtain his 2nd contact point (a head lock), and execute his throw while his opponent gets his waist wrap.

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF41_8R1Tvo&feature=youtu.be"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF41_8R1Tvo&feature=youtu.be[/ame]
     
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  6. Langenschwert

    Langenschwert Molon Labe

    Ah, OK. Then work your kuzushi and uchikomi like a mad man. And never stop. It will eventually pay dividends. I actually got sode tsuri komi goshi to kinda sorta work in randori tonight. If I can do it (and I call myself the world's worst judoka) then you should be a shoe-in.
     
  7. BohemianRapsody

    BohemianRapsody Valued Member

    I know this isn't exactly what you're looking for but I highly recommend Matt D'Aquino's beyondgrappling judo videos in YouTube. Very clear conceptually, detail oriented and well shot.

    The reason these popped into my head was I recently saw one where he was talking about not really being able to take kuzushi in an experienced player with a single throw. It's going to take either a well timed counter or setting up a reaction to take advantage of with a combination.

    Judo is a game of ever shifting momentum, and the way to score is by taking control of that momentum. I'm a big fan of looking at videos to see how other people set things up, and I'll often try different approaches From them in randori, some work for me, some don't. But ultimately the only thing that's really going to help you is mat time.

    Just got to show up and try to throw people who are trying to throw you back.
     
  8. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    I'll look for that name next time I have YouTube time. Thanks.
     
  9. BohemianRapsody

    BohemianRapsody Valued Member

    I think this is a pretty clear breakdown of what I was trying to describe. Much better, I'm sure, than my description actually:

    http://youtu.be/UDr_NBHh4nY
     
  10. matveimediaarts

    matveimediaarts Underappreciated genius

    This^^ when I did judo, I found that the only way to get the technique is randori. It's definitely not like the kata-heavy styles.
     
  11. Rebel Wado

    Rebel Wado Valued Member

    aikiMac,

    I found sumi otoshi and uki otoshi most helpful:

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zc_GGBmK98"]sumi otoshi - YouTube[/ame]
     
  12. Frodocious

    Frodocious She who MUST be obeyed! Moderator Supporter

    Sign up for his newsletter too - there are often freebies to be had. I just got an ebook on scissor sweep.
     
  13. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    :eek: Aikido!
    :happy: I'm going to concentrate on those for awhile! Thanks!

    LOL, sure, I could use a free book!
     
  14. TK-421

    TK-421 New Member

    Langenschwert, do you mind mentioning where you practice Judo in Calgary? I am looking at Ishi Yama and am interested in your take, if you've got one. Thanks!
     
  15. Langenschwert

    Langenschwert Molon Labe

    I am at Ishi Yama. Great club, great senseis, and everyone is very friendly. Except for me, I'm a jerk. ;) I'll be there tonight!
     
  16. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    For what? They are 2 of the most useless throws in the Gokyo.
     
  17. Archibald

    Archibald A little koala

    Aikimac for what it's worth I've come to realize that in order to throw you need movement, and as someone smaller and lighter quite often i need to let the other player supply it - trying to get kuzushi under my own power so to speak is like trying to move tree trunks with my bare hands, so I play a heavy counter game. It seems to me that I'm more successful then.

    I've Judo'd for barely two years so this could well be a load of rubbish, thought I'd share it though.
     
  18. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    Well, I hope it's not rubbish because my instructor said the same thing last night. :)
     
  19. Langenschwert

    Langenschwert Molon Labe

    Oh gods yes. There are some guys in my club who are strong beyond all reason. You just kind of have to let them do stuff and try to counter. Which dovetails nicely with the wrestling of Master Ott (15th Century Germany):

    "Every wrestling must consist of three things. The first one is skill, the second one is speed, and the third one is the proper application of strength. Keep in mind that the best of them is speed as it prevents your opponent from countering you. It is also important to attack a weaker opponent first, an equally strong opponent at the same time as he attacks you and a stronger opponent after his attack. When you attack first use your speed, when you attack at the same time as the opponent use your balance and when you act after your opponent pay attention to his knee bendings."

    Still working on that whole speed thing. No luck so far.

    One guy in my club and I were doing newaza. I was trying to sink an armbar and his one arm was stronger than my two put together. Could not straighten his arm for the life of me. He's made of iron I swear.
     
  20. TK-421

    TK-421 New Member

    Ha, thanks! Great info, I'll come check it out soon!
     

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