Which Weapon to Carry for Self Defence

Discussion in 'Self Defence' started by SWC Sifu Ben, Jul 3, 2015.

  1. Gunner

    Gunner Valued Member

    oops, I was copy / pasting the quotes. The second quote was SWC Sifu Ben.
     
  2. SWC Sifu Ben

    SWC Sifu Ben I am the law

    Okay but if you can carry a projectile weapon there's no logical reason you shouldn't be able to carry something like a sabre for example.
     
  3. Gunner

    Gunner Valued Member

    I don't know the law on sabres. I'll try to find out at practice tonight. My instructor is one of the best at sword. I'd rather carry a gun though.
     
  4. Gunner

    Gunner Valued Member

    Found this on a law website.

    "It is illegal to open or conceal carry any knife with a blade over 5 ½ inches long, throwing knives or stars, dirks, daggers, stilettos, and other stabbing knives, bowie knives, swords, or spears."
     
  5. SWC Sifu Ben

    SWC Sifu Ben I am the law

    Which to me is incredibly strange when you're able to carry projectile weapons
     
  6. TwirlinMerlin

    TwirlinMerlin Valued Member

    Wow. It's crazy to think that we were ahead of you guys on this. Here in WA they made it really easy way back when. You were approved for a carry permit as long as you could legally buy a firearm starting all the way back in the 1960's. Before that you could still get a permit but they were more selective. I think you just had to talk your local police chief into issuing you one. You guys didn't have this? I think it was called "Shall Issue" and was in most states. I'm not sure how long we've had open carry but I know it's been more than a few years.
    Funny because we think of Texas as being way more gun friendly than most other states. You guys can get machine guns after all. (I'm kind of jealous) We don't get fully auto firearms or knives here unlike our favorite neighbor Oregon. You can get a permit for a silencer though which in my opinion would take all the fun out of it lol.
     
  7. Gunner

    Gunner Valued Member

    No machine guns here. Fully automatic firearms have been banned in the US since 1934. You'll go to the pokey for a long time if you get caught altering a semi to fully automatic.

    Hard to holster a handgun with a silencer.

    We've always been able to carry long guns like shotguns and low cal. rifles, but handguns weren't allowed until the political control turned over to Republican.

    It doesn't make much sense that long knives are illegal, but as the old saying goes, "don't bring a knife to a gun fight."
     
  8. TwirlinMerlin

    TwirlinMerlin Valued Member

    Not talking about altering a semi auto. That will get you in a world of hurt. I'm talking about ownership of machine guns (actual full auto firearms that were built that way) as long as you register with the NFA and get the tax stamp. There are also a couple other requirements like the automatic firearms you own can't be manufactured after the mid 1980's, so you have to buy used (think $20,000 for a full auto M16). Texas is one and Oregon is another. Google machine gun shoots Texas and Oregon on Youtube. The state laws also allow you to use them to shoot recreationally. See the last paragraph if you want to skip right to the part about owning them in Texas.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Texas

    Here's an example of the machine gun shoots I was telling you about. Good times.

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPfA-s9qEF8"]Texas NFA Gun Trust: 2015 July 4th Leona Machine Gun Shoot - YouTube[/ame]

    Er, now that I've gone way off topic, how about those karambit knives for a defensive weapon?
     
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2016
  9. Xanth

    Xanth Valued Member

    In WKSA we specifically have a set of Cane techniques, however any training can be applied to a cane, such as short stick, sword, staff etc. We use a specific type of cane for our use, but any cane should be fine.
     
  10. Gunner

    Gunner Valued Member

    I was at a friends house and he was asking me what use is it to train in traditional weapons when you never have one when attacked. We were in the garage and I took a paint extension handle and used it like a staff. He's rethinking his position. I also showed him how a tonfa is used. He likes the tonfa. Weapons are fun to learn if nothing else.
     
  11. Remi Lessore

    Remi Lessore Valued Member

    Couple of questions:
    What is the proportion of gun crime committed by criminals with weapons stolen from those who own them legally?
    What is the proportion of hurting our familiars accidentally as compared with successfully fighting off an intruder or robber?
     
  12. Gunner

    Gunner Valued Member

    It's difficult to say, but most guns used in crimes are straw man purchases or bought from illegal small gun dealers with Federal Firearms Licenses. Most of the stolen guns, are stolen by family members or inherited that sell them on the street.

    I'm sure that it has happened, but it's rare. I have never heard of anyone being shot accidentally by someone defending themselves or their home. It's really not easy to shoot small handguns with great accuracy. Most shootings are close range and involve multiple shots.

    The idea that the Texas is the wild west is huge misconception. You'd be much more likely to be shot in Chicago where guns are illegal than Houston where guns are legal.
     
  13. SWC Sifu Ben

    SWC Sifu Ben I am the law

    Bit off topic guys, but FYI there is a well worn thread about guns, self defence, right to bear arms, etc. which would be more suitable for that discussion.
     
  14. Ericlobster

    Ericlobster New Member

    Knife

    Believe it or not, although I live in peaceful Vancouver, since all this weird stuff happening at our border (Open door policy basically), I've been carrying a sharp knife with me all the time in my bag. It's like shoulder strap bag.

    The knife although belongs to a cutlery set, it's thing and sharp like a mofo. When I carry it I feel safe. I hope I never use it but if there is a situation, at least I won't be without a weapon.
     
  15. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Welcome to MAP.

    I'd say that's a dangerous game you're playing there.
     
  16. SWC Sifu Ben

    SWC Sifu Ben I am the law

    Well you just made an easy case for the prosecution in the event you hurt someone with it. You don't have any reasonable purpose for having it which would excuse its presence as an improvised weapon. It sounds like you're not well, or at all instructed in using a knife as a weapon which makes your ability to use it successfully highly suspect, even assuming you had your legal ducks in a row, but you don't because lethal force is hardly ever required or legally excusable. Without the necessary legal education on when it is excusable to use you're likely to use it where it's not warranted, be guilty of use of excessive force, and therefore be charged of assault, murder, etc.

    And on top of all that... the people fleeing for their lives from a warzone as refugees are not likely to try to hurt you. Statistically you're more likely to be assaulted by a fellow Canadian.
     
  17. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Spot on :)

    I'd add that even if the above weren't true, a weapon in a shoulder bag is unlikely to be useful in a lawful self-defence situation, as the preparation time to deploy it lends itself more to premeditated violence.
     
  18. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned


    How hard is it to use a knife? I thought it was as simple as just grabbing a knife in say hammer fist position and stabbing someone. I in theory could use a fixed bladed knife for defence and i have no formal training in the matter.


    (not directed at you but general: )

    Point may have been made before but:

    Would you rather carry a weapon for defence and suffer legal restrictions or be killed or maimed? (presuming you are stuck in prison for the best part of your life if you are caught)

    Int he U.K you can carry a pocket knife and most people make that practice to carry it just for utility purposes and i can without a doubt say that anyone will use that in a heartbeat if they needed to use it. A knife is probbly the best for utility and cover reasons. But you cant go that wrong with OC/CS spray or a Taser as you can in theory use them more liberally and as pain compliance weapons.

    I have a question, does anyone know of any cases where somone used that dye spray or bad smelling spray in a self defence situation in the U.K?


    Also if you want a good weapon you can carry anywhere no questions asked, get a cane with a metal rod inserted into it, its a more hitty walking implement. :p

    Tasers and chemical spray work as a supplement to other defensive weapons though be it either legal reasons you cant carry the others or you just dont want to overly injure someone etc. edit: to just summarise another point any weapon is better than no weapon if you are no all ready carrying one.

    How i envy some countries sometimes as a weapon person. :(


    (just as a disclaimer my sources for legal knowledge either come from other people who are not lawyers or from the government website detaialing in simple what the law is)
     
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2017
  19. Southpaw535

    Southpaw535 Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    This is where I think fantasy hits a roadblock though with that law in the UK. I just don't think in real life if you're in a fight where that's a reasonable step to take to pull a knife out, its not one where you're going to have the time to unfold a small blade in a heartbeat. If you do, I doubt you need to be whipping it out.
     
  20. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    There are any number of examples of people having a knife they brought to a fight used on them. One can imagine this will more often be the case if the person in question has no training in how to use it.

    I would be pretty sure that the majority of people in the UK do not carry a pocket knife, and as SP says, being able to deploy it is another matter.

    I suspect a cane with a metal rod would be viewed as highly suspicious by police investigation, unless you're Daredevil :)

    Mitch
     

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