Trump by name......

Man, it's like I don't have to go to specific places on the internet to absorb the more extreme ideological viewpoints anymore. Anyone else feel like there's an influx of mock youtube and facebook profiles just to join the mainstream and defend their racism? There's certainly two sides to this, but hold hell it seems like the racists/ignorant are coming out of their enclosed community to engage in public dialogue.

Probably a good thing, honestly. Actually something to take a stand against instead of some vague description like 'institutional racism' you can concretely pinpoint the majority of the time.

 

I think this is a quite incitfull series of mini interviews with white southerners.

 

the public aspect has been slowly building for some time. don't you think? it's always been there, for sure. but ever since barack obama was elected president, it kept getting more and more public, until finally, trump decided to run for real. who can forget his very first speech announcing his candidacy? who can forget the years of race-baiting a sitting president? trump literally engaged in a 7 year campaign to malign the president for information that was made available in april of 2008.

it's been very interesting for me watching it all go down. for one, don't buy the nonsense that republicans are currently trying out. it was in fact racism that got trump elected. and two, they're not running away from it at all. sure, there might be some bromides here and there about equivocation and how bad it is, but they're all standing by his side. by all i mean the republican electorate and republican politicians. there was a poll that came out today i think that 80% of republicans approve of this president. 80%! let that sink in for a moment. this is a man that believes that robert e. lee and jefferson davis are on the same level as george washington or thomas jefferson--he actually let those words escape his mouth.

pure racism.

 

No, I was just wondering if that is lawful in Virginia. The permit was legit, but is it lawful to turn up in turtle formation carrying shields and sticks?

 

I just saw a woman on youtube saying that America feels no sympathy for the woman who got run down, because she was exactly the kind of person the Confederate army was trying to kill during the civil war.

She accused the counter-protesters of lacking the ability to engage in critical thought. She was also Jewish, and didn't seem to see any contradiction of supporting people who think she's part of an evil global conspiracy and should be wiped off the face of the planet.

What really gets me is the lack of education in history these American fascists have.

 

because neither george washington or thomas jefferson took up arms against the united states of america, amongst other super important things like, i don't know, writing the declaration of independence and the 1st ammendment to the constitution, ensuring the peaceful transfer of executive power of the republic, leading an army against a monarchy for our independence.

do you think they're on the same level? i would love to hear how jeff. davis is like george washington. no really.

 

btw, i'm going to charleston, s.c. over xmas and new year's. my 8-year-old proposed we go to fort sumter. i'm really looking forward to that because it's particularly relevant.

 

I don't think a lot of a younger people bought into the more racist dialogue that went with Obama's presidency. I really think there are just a lot of middle aged and older people that we're all just waiting on to die. I think the amount of younger people that do buy into it will become pretty irrelevant in 20-30 years time.

I never liked Trump, and I didn't like Hillary either. I'm still turning it over in my head but I think Trump may have been the better president to have (hold your horses, let me explain). I think Hillary would have allowed the current radical aspects in society to fester even more, and the more radical people on the left would have gained more traction while pushing more people into the fringe right. I think Trump might be forcing the country to deal with the kinds of demons it has faster, and with a smaller amount of people involved. This isn't praise of Trump. I think rather it's a testimony to his incompetency as a politician doubled with how terrible of a person and leader he is. Is it putting us into a situation where we face our social issues sooner, rather than later with less people and less violence because of that? We'll never know honestly, but it's something I've been thinking about lately.

The guy is really just a terrible leader. He could have easily denounced immediately the racist organisations that claimed his name initially and made the claim that there is no place for it in society. Later he could have introduced that civil unrest has been brewing between radicals on the left and right, both of whom have been escalating the violence and ruining things for the more moderate people. You can't save face when literal white supremacists under a nazi flag drop your name as an association and you don't renounce them immediately. A correct response would have been after the attempted assassination of congressmen at a baseball practice, where Bernie renounced the individual involved as soon as he learned about it. Trump is just a piece of orange fecal matter. It's like if you want to meet Trump in person, all you have to do is eat carrots for a few days and go to the bathroom and greet the fecal matter before you flush.

It really blows my mind, these confederate statues. Nobody is erasing history. Monuments of people express and glorify the ideals of an individual. These people fought against the United States, why are we glorifying them in today's age? I think we're far enough past the civil war to not have to try and nullify existing tensions between the north and south by allowing these kinds of monuments. When people start trying to strike the civil war from the record, and try to burn books, I'll fight on the side of erasing history. Until then, it really seems like a ridiculous argument.

 

First lines of Georgia Secession letter:


"The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic."

The acknowledgement of our hypocrisy in relation to our core beliefs as a country and slavery had not surfaced yet. When it did, people like Robert Lee decided to fight for what I quoted. They had the chance to stand up and do the right thing as per the belief that all men are created equal. They chose not to. Why celebrate that? The only reason we absorbed them back into society the way we did after the Civil War was to ease tensions and move on with the country's development. The people in the south put on display how much they learned their lesson with Jim Crow though, didn't they?

 

You know what else is twisting my melon?

How these pro-Confederate people are citing the US constitution to defend their rights, when the Confederate states declared that the US constitution was no longer binding and fought a war over ditching it.

It's too much dumb for me to process!

 

ah yes, the part where the birther once again shows us his true colors.

anything else you want to tell us about how lee and davis were really just misunderstood? how really, it was the people that left the united states and took up arms against it that are the actual patriots?

 

But if they're against the Union, shouldn't they be burning copies of the constitution and the US flag? Why are they generally pro-Trump? He's as Yankee as they come!

 

I thought his point was that the founding fathers were just as racist as Lee and Davis.

I mean, even Good Ol' Abe didn't come around to the emancipation thing until it suited his needs for the war.

History is a murky place, and the stories of heroes don't often stand up to scrutiny.

 

i don't disagree. history is a murky place and our heroes sometimes don't act heroic. but in trying times these men, lincoln washington jefferson, chose wisely. what did lee choose? what did davis choose? it's exactly this history that racists want to sanitize with monuments.

a small point about lincoln that fits into a much larger point, but lincoln ran a campaign that specifically mentioned banning the expansion of slavery. this is what caused the south to secede. southerners wanted to expand. lincoln never said he would abolish. but not expanding was enough to get the south to secede.

also states' rights is a lie also. look up the fugitive slave act of 1850, the kansas-nebraska act, the missouri compromise, and lots of other things.

if you've got time, watch this video:



it's the mayor of new orleans talking about why they took down the statues. well worth the ~20 minutes. i'm paraphrasing but one thing that i really like about it is he said that how do we tell a little african american girl that she is equal and america has her back when she walks down the street and sees these "monuments".

 

i have to say it's beyond depressing that we're in this state as a country. i'm very pessimistic right now. and have almost 100% certainty this monster will win re-election. he's a master at dividing people. he knows that by saying racists things and being called racist, he's ensuring those same people that voted for him will again. only to stick it to "liberals" or the "left". the damage this man can do is incalculable.

i've decided to get eu citizenship, in case i need options.

 

Great speech, thanks for posting that.

Y'know, I'd kind of forgotten that politicians are supposed to be good at talking!