The Nine Schools

Discussion in 'Ninjutsu' started by AndrewA, Nov 23, 2017.

  1. AndrewA

    AndrewA Valued Member

    Hoping a learned scholar out there can help.............

    My understanding is the 9 Schools are a mixture of Ninjutsu, JuJutsu, Karate and Aikido.

    Assuming thats correct and the Togakure Ryu, Kumogakure Ryu, Gyokijshin Ryu are the Ninjutsu Schools, which of the other 6 are related to which art?

    Gyokko Ryu Koshijutsu
    Koto Ryu Koppojutsu
    Kuki Shinden Ryu Happo Hiken
    Gikan Ryu Koppojutsu
    Shinden Fudo Ryu Dakentaijutsu
    Takagi Yoshin Ryu Jutaijutsu


  2. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth

    Nope, the non ninja schools are all (arguably) classical "jujutsu" schools, Koppo schools can also be called karate, but only because they're related to Chinese striking, nothing to do with what is popularly known as karate.
  3. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Valued Member

    You can find it listed on Wikipedia.

    Nine schools are something like Archery, horse riding, espionage, climbing something something something.
  4. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth

    Nope that's the 18 essential skills.

    Bujinkan - Wikipedia
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  5. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Valued Member

    Essential skills that nobody has mastered in the Ninjutsu community.
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  6. AndrewA

    AndrewA Valued Member

    Whats that got to do with my question?
  7. AndrewA

    AndrewA Valued Member

    So its possible that the older (Japanese) schools could be classed as Karate?

    Obviously not Karate as we see it today, but a much older format...........
  8. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Valued Member

    Nothing as I wasn't replying to you, I was replying to the other person in the thread.
  9. AndrewA

    AndrewA Valued Member

    In which case, I don't understand the point of your post............ Sorry.
  10. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Don't think so. I would classify something as "Karate" if it has a foundation in Okinawa. Don't think anything in the Booj has a foundation in Okinawa.
    Although "Karate" is such a broad term it's almost meaningless without lots of clarification and additional information.
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  11. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth

    In that it's "China hand" Maybe, not anything to do with karate as it's known now.
  12. aikiMac

    aikiMac boxing is fun Moderator Supporter

    The only Aikido that I know of was developed in the 1900's by a non-ninja, and it has nothing to do with ninjas. Is there a different Aikido that you know of?
  13. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter


    There are 9 schools each with their own history and, as a result, differing approaches or specialisations. Generally speaking the schools' names reflect their areas of focus
    However, several have shared histories so they are somewhat related / intertwined and one shouldn't rush to categorise these things too precisely

    I don't think that it makes sense to categorise any of the schools as karate or aikido. Nowadays all of the schools could be thought of as Traditional Japanese Budo or, in the unarmed context, probably people could think of them as forms of jujutsu. They all incorporate ideas of grappling, striking and flowing with force etc

    Gyokko and Koto Ryus are the fighting styles from the Iga region and share a history with Togakure Ryu. Togakure Ryu sits on top of these styles as a sort of specialisation or variant of them

    Kukishinden and Takagi Yoshin Ryu share a history and are pretty similar to a lot of traditional Japanese styles, as is Shinden Fudo Ryu

    People don't know much about Gikan, Kumogakure and Gyokushin

    Hope that helps
  14. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth

  15. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Valued Member

  16. Simon

    Simon The Bulldog Admin

    Let's not derail the thread please.

    We train for different reasons and just because an art is not to our own liking doesn't discount it or detract from its validity for it's practitioners.

    Thank you.
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  17. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth

    There's plenty of good jinenkan and genbukan folks around, and some very good bjkn people around too (but a lot of dross too)

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  18. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    The 18 skills (different to the nine schools) are kind of like the broad educational curriculum for a Togakure Ryu practitioner from a long time ago

    In the Kukishin style there is a similar list which reads like an education for a feudal lord. Quite a few old Japanese traditions have similar ideas/curricula

    For obvious reasons people aren’t particularly interested in many of the more obsolete skills, but the essential principles are passed on and can be useful / relevant
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  19. garth

    garth Valued Member

    OH Come on Dunc, lets not forget the flower arranging, you can't forget forget the flower arranging.
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  20. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Valued Member

    I don't understand, are you posting he dross? @2:38 one guy tried a drop kick of some kind against his opponents hips?

    Nah, I'll pass.

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