Some questions about striking

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  1. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    So the class is still on, with a stand in instructor and you haven't been going?
     
  2. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned

    Can you make a educated guess as to what type of person i am from the internet though? I have no interest in being good at TKD, i will do grading because i suspect my experience will be limited if i dont and what i can learn from it will be limited as well. I go there time after time to try and learn combatives to use, i desire only to be comptent enough to defend myself, once that is achived i may seek to pursue "perfection". For all purposes, i am sticking to it even though i dont view the art that highly, im doing it for its merits which is it teaches kicking and punching and is at least a fitness activity.




    Toe kicks as in kicking with the instep, i have hurt my toes to some degree doing it and i have been told and belive from doing it on hard objects like the pad and bag it should not be done unless you have boots on. How i get told i should do a spinning kick.



    Pretty sure it wouldnt have helped to be honest, i cant tie the wraps anyway. I did it on purpose i was fine until i tried to strike the bag on the vertical. Like i said before, wont be doing it again, im sticking to what i did before i hurt my wrist.

    None of your buisness, only response that line is getting.
     
  3. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    That's a yes then, face it, your never going to get good at anything with the attitude you have, so you have a choice, suck it up and change the attitude, or stay being you.
     
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  4. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    Well, that's good, because you never will be.

    Depends on the club.
    I only was in one club, where what you learn would entirely depend on your grading.
    And not even that is precise, as I learned there other things as well. Not in the field of "my" techniques, but I was allowed to uke for my head teacher there, when he trained a bit for himself

    Please explain once more: Why should the instructor bother with you more then necessary again?

    Depending on the kick, that's what we get told as well: Instep or lower part of the shin.
    No one hurt him- or herself so far though.
    At least not, if the did as they were told.


    Personally I don't count the bag as a hard object.
    Not soft either, but hard?

    And remember: Beware to not to learn something new!

    Since it was mentioned more than enough before, you at least have been warned that punching the heavy bag with wrong techniques will make things worse in the end.

    So nothing has changed: You don't take training serious, don't go regularly and for some reason still expect to get good at something?
     
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  5. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    I used to be like you man. I'd go very very occasionally to some martial arts class and "take what I could" from the class and come up with my own theories. I know it's cliche but going training regularly will bring you 100 times closer to your goals than theorising about what you've learned.

    The truth is mate you're not trying hard enough to do the easiest part which is to train regularly. Don't over-think it and just attend every class that's available to you, and don't limit yourself to one instructor or style. Learn from everyone. Go to a boxing club, work out, go to a TKD class in the evenings. Go and attend the saturday afternoon wrestling class, do the Sunday Christian Judo Club at the local church.

    Thinking about training/fighting is not the same as actually doing it. Go out there and get it done. If you want it bad enough you can make it happen.

    As an example I used to attend dodgy Ninjutsu classes. Which i'd learn something awful, take it home to my friends and teach it to them (I didn't really know the technique properly anyway) and we'd just talk about all the "what ifs" f a fight and that technique. What I should have been doing was working a job and attending classes. Once I matured and moved into a different part of the city I took out a crisis loan from the government and used it to pay my first month of classes. I promised myself I'd get a job and pay every month. I worked at crappy Sports Direct. I didn't attend class every night but it was an easy 2-3 times a week. After that I started treating it more like my job "I have to show up for this shift to get paid". It made the whole thing a lot easier.

    I'm just saying, I've been in the position you're in. You can change your circumstances. Do it and attend classes. You'll be kicking yourself when you're 30 and haven't done much.

    Or you can go down the route of "I'm making my own martial art" but I promise you it will not end well.
     
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  6. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    Sportsdirect... Shudder.

    I feel your pain. I used to be up at 5am for delivery shift then do 4-5hrs on the door guarding merch and arguing with Muppets. Then off to gym. Desperate stuff.
     
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  7. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    Gold.
     
  8. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    Yes, we can indeed make educated guesses based on your postings. We can see you are the sort of person who doesn't take things seriously. Who expects to be taken seriously even though you show a lack of seriousness and respect for martial arts. We can see you are the sort of person who asks for advice, but doesn't listen to the answers. (So, why bother asking? Unless maybe you are trolling?) We can see that you easily find excuses - sometimes ridiculous ones- to find ways to not train.

    For example: to take an art, but not respect it enough to want to get good at it speaks volumes as to what sort of person you are. Your posts suggest you don't listen, don't respect people with something to offer.

    A factor like how often you train (or find excuses NOT to) is our business is when it is a factor in the questions you ask on here. Because it is a key part to learning a martial art. so, yeah, it IS our business because you make it so when you post on here. Your NOT training regularly or seriously, with regards to listening to your instructor or following your curriculum, is our business as long as you post questions where the obvious answer is in the training you don't do.

    Why should anyone on MAP respond to your questions at all any longer? We keep trying to help and you keep ignoring us.

    I mean now your latest excuse is you "can't"tie hand wraps properly? :rolleyes: Sure you can, if you bothered to learn. Now that is one thing that you CAN learn from a YouTube tutorial. See? Here is one example of how your posts do tell us what sort of person you are.

    BTW, you make incorrect assumptions about open handed/ close handed strikes. Yes, close handed strikes can damage your hand - against certain targets. But there are times where a closed hand is a better option too. Knowing as many strikes as possible, and more importantly, the right time to use which one, and what is better for particular targets and ranges is a part of learning. Sometimes open handed strikes are better, but sometimes a closed fist is best. To lessen your arsenal by refusing to learn the basic punch is just - frankly - dumb. I don't know of a single art that ONLY teaches open hand strikes. Again, if your school teaches one first, learn that first. If you can't be bothered to do so, go ahead and quit as you are wasting both your and your instructors time. I am quite sure that your instructors know far more about martial arts than you do. And that they would fare far better in a street situation. And be less likely to injure themselves in said fight. so LISTEN to them and practice accordingly.
     
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  9. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned

    Disclaimer, this is going to blunt, just read it with a neutral tone.

    Touche, i will give you that one, that is true. The second part is not true though, the part i didnt quote. I listen the answers and i dispute some of them, i dont blanket ignore all of it but i will dispute the bits i don't agree with or want elaboration and i dont make any excuse to get out of them and i have stated i am not going to respond to that line of questioning anymore, take my word for it or dont.

    The reasons as to why are not remotely the buisness of anyone here unless i make it their buisness and i try to skip and avoid those qiestions for that reason. Asking why i haven't gone doesnt do anything as i wont respond and even then as i have expressed a dis interest in talking about it and my schedule on the public forum who is to say i go when i say and go when i say i didnt. I have no idea to confirm if what you say about training is true, there is no fixed time when i may learn the answer to my question without asking it. You cannot really make a educated guess on how i train either, you are not there to watch me do it and like many people, moaning is a coping mechanism/used for humour.


    That wasnt a excuse for anything, and until i learn how its factual, i cannot tie them. If i cannot tie them i cannot wear them.


    Im not reluctent to learn basic punches i wanted to try and learn hand strikes, as i am trying to improve my arenal by asking about palm strikes. But why should i learn that one first? Why shouldnt i try and learn something i belive i can do at home? For exmaple, will you tell me its bad if i practice a chin jab at home on someone else in a training context? Thats all i need to train at home is a partner and something with a step by step guide. I dont deny the use of an instructor though. (NOR do i advise AGAINST one)

    Thats really up for debate. If they are wrong and i truely belive they are wrong i wont listen to them, if they can prove thats right it makes sense i will, if not it will be rejected. Just because they have experience doesnt make them right.

    I am stubbourn, yes, but i will acknowledge when something i have just done is right or makes more sense than something else. I dont do half of this because i really cant be arsed with a verbal argument with somone i dont know. There is some disconnect as i dont learn that well from text, i need to do soemthing or see it.

    Dotn know where to splice this, but i have a actual example of a question i aksed about low blocking with open vs closed hand and the explanation i got made sense to me so i block witha closed hand for patterns now.

    as always ask if something doesnt make sense.

    Edit: i dont know where to splice this either, another issue is, i am not going to accept i dont know anything and the knowledge i do possess is defacto wrong. Ever, that is not going to happen in a generic sweep and blanket sweep.
     
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  10. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I advise no one give you any guidance or advice on anything anymore

    You dont listen and frankly don't deserve the help

    Go do your own thing if you like. No one cares
     
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  11. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    This thread is the best.
     
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  12. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Shakes magic 8 ball, "signs point to - hell yea"
     
  13. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    You still don't get it, do you?
    No one here cares for the "why", but the fact that you don't move your behind makes people wonder, why they should waste their time in giving you tips.
    Because you just don't train properly anyway and as soon as you don't like what you hear, you will ignore it anyway.
    And the answers here won't be some you like, because for nearly everything you need to -guess- train!

    And, yes, we can be pretty sure who your training looks like, because most people here have seen people train, who have had no clue what they are doing.


    You seem to have lots of time.
    So why not use it for something, where youtube and other videos actually can be helpful and learn how to wrap them?
    If that is already too much work, I honestly don't know what to say or why you expect or hope for tips here.


    Why keep moaning about it all the time then?

     
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  14. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    I just saw, I screwed up the quoting again.
    Very sorry about that!
     
  15. Dan Bian

    Dan Bian Neither Dan, nor Brian

    I came across this article the other day, and it seems to fit well into this thread:

    WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH ONE CORNER?
    By Phillip Starr

    I was recently reading about a young man’s first visit to Japan. He had trained in iaijutsu and kenjutsu for several years with a Japanese instructor who had come to the U.S. as a college professor. The young American had traveled to Japan to spend time with his sensei and to immerse himself in the country from which his chosen martial disciplines had originated.

    When he arrived in Japan, the young American took some time to take in the sights and he was given the opportunity to visit an iaido dojo in a rather small Japanese town. The dojo was run by a hachidan (8th dan, of which there are only a few) who asked him to perform the first basic kata known as “mae.”

    The American felt that he had done an adequate job but the headmaster thought differently. He told his guest to work on one particular movement of the kata – it was a bit rough and needed polish. They exchanged bows and the American prepared to repeat the kata.

    He gave it his very best but when he finished it he noticed that the headmaster was on the other side of the dojo, giving instruction to another student. What happened next actually showed what this American was made of; it showed his heart.

    He continued to practice the kata (which he had practiced for many years as it’s the very first kata taught to beginning iaido students) until he was soaked with sweat. After more than an hour’s worth of repeating the same fundamental kata, one of the senior students walked up and told him to perform the second kata! The American noticed that the headmaster was standing with his arms folded on the other end of the dojo, watching him.

    And so it went for the ten “seitei” katas. The American could barely get undressed and walk back to the house where he was staying. His legs were exhausted and he could barely lift his shoulders. But he was back in training the next day.

    Now, I often walk away from my students while they are working on a particular form or technique – just to see what they’ll do. Most of them will continue to practice what they were told. A few will walk over to me to ask what they should do and some (yes, it happens with black belts, too) discontinue practicing as they begin to talk and socialize with their classmates.

    Confucius said that if a teacher shows the student one corner, the student should be able to find the other three. If he cannot (or will not), then the teacher should leave him alone because he’s simply a waste of time.

    My teacher would sometimes show us a particular technique or an aspect of a technique or form and then see what we did with it. Most of my classmates promptly forgot whatever it was that he’d shown them. They didn’t practice it on their own time and their performance didn’t improve. They were not shown any of the deeper aspects of the art because such things require a great deal of practice at home and he knew they’d never meet that requirement.

    A few of the others would “fool around” with what they had been shown; they didn’t put in much time on their own and they’d often ask Sifu Chen if they were doing it right, and so on. Again, they received none of the deeper instruction because there was simply no point in it.

    Very, very few actually trained regularly (and vigorously) at home with the material they had been shown. But our teacher was watching…always watching. He’d smile and laugh with us but he was always watching and evaluating. And in the end, very few students qualified (in his mind) to learn the real kung-fu.

    Which group do you fall into?
     
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  16. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned

    None of them.


    Do they get told they can/should practice it at home?
     
  17. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned

    You dont know that i dont, that is the issue. You have no evidence to contary my point of me going or not, i am not willing to provide any i do, so i say to leave the conversation because its based on speculation and goes circular and frankly doesnt help me in the slightest. So imply put: I dont care and the argument serves no purpose, it jsut degrades what ever the conversation into a circular argument with no purpose which i have stated i dont want to have in the first place. Also, frankly i dont care if you think i am lying, this is another issue, why would you start a argument on speculation which the second party has all ready stated doesnt want said argument, doesnt appreciate it etc? Im not too sure if something is getting lost in translation here, but any speculation on my private life i view as intruing and prying and i dotn appreacite it in the slightest.

    you don't, i have a clue as to what i am doing. I will take opinion from somone who sees me train as opposed to people who dont. (for specifics, like if i am punching right etc)


    It wasnt used as a excuse for anything, the only reason i responded to that was because i thought there was a an implication that i didnt do soemthign because i didnt have wraps on or soemthing. and again factual statement i could not tie them at that time there for i didnt wear them. Kind of hard to wear wraps when you cant tie them.


    I dont. This is the first time i have actually complained about just learning punches first/only in a while. As for moaning in general, who doesnt. (by only i mean its not one of the first things to learn and you only learn punches first)


    Since you messed up the quoting and i hit reply it will be in order:

    Incorrect, i have learnt a chin jab from home. I can also strike the bag in my own way, i just cant hit the vertical surface safely. (i know the details i can not explain the details)



    Capitilism and military culture being dead. :p I was more clarifying i wasnt advising anyone to do it because some things get lost in translation. I have a legitimate grievance by the fact i have self taught myself a chin jab correctly, i looked at it in "get tough" and learnt it from there, when i say self study i dont meant from nothing i mean from treteses etc, i will still continue to try and learn things i view intresting and do able from home. The instructor may not be a good or appropriate to ask about opinions on some of these. Why would a TKD insctructor know how to hip throw somone? that sort of thing and why would they help somone who has just started to learn it? Im too intrested to not try and learn soem things i belive i can learn.


    Again, nope. If i question soemthing on the stance ofbeingeign wrong and they dont give me a argument which i understand/can belive i will disregard them in terms of me doing somethign incorrectly. Its more relivent to the diffrent types of kick and block etc. that was the reason why i cited the example of me doing a knife hand lower block and asking why it should be a closed handed block, it made sense to me so i switched it.

    See above

    See above (skipped stubbourn)

    Implying i cant learn anything from text only, i prefer and find it easier to learn by doing but that doesnt imply i am totally unable to learn from text. Just because i argue doesnt mean i ignore or disregard the advice.

    See above two above, i would have disregarded the close hand if it was not explained to me


    Last one: You missed the point clearly. There is no objective test for me to assess my knolwedge as opposed to others, which is why i haven't said i know a lot or a little i say i know what i know. I have a scatter gun knowledge, for that reason i am not willing to disregard it because that means disregarding what i know is true.
     
  18. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Alright well let me put it like this. Timing and distance make up 95% of striking martial arts. You can use any technique so long as your timing and control of distance are excellent. You can only get good at timing and distance by participating in classes with various other people. Timing drills and sparring are the essence of striking arts. Techniques play a very small part of it.


    You will not be a competent striker until you start sparring with other people your level. I promise you that if you fight someone your own size and age, it will be even. Timing and distance matter way more than techniques. That's why people can do crazy defensive movements in combat sports. They're timing and distance is way better than normal.

    So to recap:

    You will never be any better at fighting than anyone else until you start drilling with resisting partners and sparring.
     
  19. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned


    that's a pretty good explanation. cant object to that.
     
  20. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned

    Disregard arguments above.


    I just thought of a few more questions i had on striking:

    This time i am not going on a tangent though.

    This set is on punching power/hand conditoning.


    So i read from a article soemhwere on soem tehcniques on improvining punching power/conditionining your hands and i wanted opinions on them:

    The first one for hand conditioning is using a bucket filled with rice and obviously you push your hand into it and form a fist etc. How good is that for toughening up the skin and does it actually do antyhing. That was one i was going to try.

    The other one i was interesting in is using fists for push ups

    and the third is punching a wall but you put paper on the section of wall you ar epunching, les sliekly to try that one though as i cant get any of those padded blocks for the wall or hang anything on the wall to pad it a little.

    Those are the three i have seen used and find intresting to try at some stage, i all ready do the fist push ups though.

    I saw a exercise which was holdign a medicine ball at chest level with arms extended and then rotating your body from left to right and right to left, is that a good one to consider doing?

    If any of those 4 work or are good to do i may consider doing them regularly. There is a 4th exercise is sawsomewheree for pucnhing power improvement but i cant for the life of me rememebr what the site was. I will put it here if i find it.


    Links to the two pages i was citing just to clear up any possible communcition difficulties.
    Top 5 Methods on How to Strengthen Your Hands
    Top 10 Training Tips and Techniques to Increase Punching Power
     
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