Reporter gets punched live on air

Discussion in 'Self Defence' started by EdiSco, Dec 30, 2017.

  1. EdiSco

    EdiSco Likes his anonymity

    Funniest video I've seen this month!

     
  2. Shmook

    Shmook Valued Member

    Why is unprovoked assault funny then?
     
  3. EdiSco

    EdiSco Likes his anonymity

    Sorry, but I can't stop laughing. probably because the reporter wasn't really hurt and the drunk got arrested. The drunk guy is too funny!
     
  4. Bruised Lee

    Bruised Lee Valued Member

    Nope, not funny at all
     
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  5. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    No he is a worthless sack of crap and the video is only an illustration of how random violence from drunks can be

    Learning material yes
    Funny absolutely not
     
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  6. EdiSco

    EdiSco Likes his anonymity

    You're right...but I don't know why I find this funny...I can't help it. I know it's wrong...the reporter certainly didn't find it funny. It could be me on a night out getting punched randomly by a burly and ugly drunkard ...but I still find it hilarious...anyways, the drunk will certainly get what he deserves since it's on video. Feel bad for the reporter though.
     
  7. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    Yeah, I echo the sentiment above. This isn't funny, it's sad.
     
  8. EdiSco

    EdiSco Likes his anonymity

    Would it be OK for a trained person to hit back in this situation? What would you have done? He does step back after hitting but keeps his chin up and hands down so doesn't look like he had a clue? A trained boxer/nak muay could've butchered him!
     
  9. Morik

    Morik Well-Known Member Supporter MAP 2017 Gold Award

    I doubt it would be legal in most places to hit back after he recovered, as the drunk guy didn't seem to be continuing to assault him--without imminent danger, hitting the drunk guy would just be retaliation.

    I think the lesson here is not to turn away from an obviously intoxicated person who is being belligerent in very close proximity to you. Especially after speaking dismissively to them. (I don't speak Russian, going by the tone. Also speaking dismissively to someone that intoxicated is pretty much never a good idea--either they won't pick up on it, or they will and may get upset.)
     
  10. Travess

    Travess The Welsh MAPper Supporter

    Are we watching the same video - The 'drunk guy' (as he has been dubbed) continues to walk towards the reporter, clearly has an aggressive demeanour and appears to be be verbally antagonistic! In fact, as far as I am concerned, we as an audience clearly witnessed no such 'lack of immediate danger', as you put it.

    Travess
     
  11. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    I don't know about legally but I think it'd be morally ok. I don't think it'd be strictly necessary though.

    I'd personally try dialogue first but then I likely would have dealt with it differently from the get go. A softer approach might have eliminated the danger. Certainly controling my personal space and being aware of physical threats/triggers would have been part of my natural response. I think being calm, confident nonthreatening and kind works well with intoxicated people in my experience.

    If dialogue/de-esculation doesn't work then I think there is little other option here beyond striking and/or restraining. Although violence is always my last resort I don't think it's something to be frowned upon if it comes down to that or a prolonged episode of intimidation and assault.
     
  12. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    I don't know how useful this example is in terms of a conversation about general self-defence.

    Being a reporter in an outside broadcast already breaks a lot of general civilian SD rules on awareness, target hardening etc.. You're basically painting a target on your back for idiots. You can't rely on camera operators to watch your back, either; they're documentarians, not security.

    It would be a useful example for TV news crews to consider, but I don't know how relevant it is for us. Certainly you could argue using force in self-defence as the guy has shown himself to be spontaneously violent in a public place, so subduing him in any manner proportional to the threat he poses to the general public would be lawful in the UK, in my humble and unqualified opinion. Even if you thought he wasn't going to assault you again, the fact that he randomly assaulted you is grounds for concern that he might be likely to assault someone else in the vicinity. However, I think keeping him verbally engaged while the police are called would be my preferred course of action.
     
  13. Morik

    Morik Well-Known Member Supporter MAP 2017 Gold Award

    I mean, he doesn't look to be within 5 feet of the reporter again after the first hit. If the reporter walked back over to him & hit him, that doesn't track as self defense to me. If the guy came back up close to him again, hitting him would be self defense (in my opinion).
     
  14. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Grappling to subdue the guy would definitely be a safer bet, but the burden of evidence is still on the prosecution if that drunk guy wanted to press charges of assault against you for hitting him back. I don't think a jury would be too convinced. You might both end up being charged with affray though (if this were to have happened in the UK).
     
  15. Travess

    Travess The Welsh MAPper Supporter

    I was not advocating a violent response, (no ruling it out) I was merely pointing out that to me the attacker should still have been treated as a threat, and that the video itself showed no clear evidence to the contrary.

    Travess
     
  16. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    The reporter had opportunity to escape, I think it could be argued. However, if he did subdue the drunk guy I think it could be argued on grounds of protecting others and preventing crime.
     
  17. Travess

    Travess The Welsh MAPper Supporter

    Agreed, just as it could be said that the drunk guy would have been free to make chase - Based on where the video cuts away, the physical threat and the apperance of escape do appear very real, but the end of the video is not the end/next step of the situation, not for those actually involved.

    Travess
     
  18. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Yeah, at the end of the day the law is subjective. It all depends on the sensibilities of the officers that deal with the incident, the CPS, and the judge/jury/magistrates involved in any legal proceedings.
     
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  19. Travess

    Travess The Welsh MAPper Supporter

    Everytime!

    I have seen innocent parties on the wrong side of things, and guilty parties walk away scott free, for no other reason that they understood the flaws of the system, and how to use them better to their advantage.

    Travess
     
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  20. axelb

    axelb Master of Office Chair Fu

    I've seen this too often in altercations I was involved with, where the other parties got away with everything even though the police knew who they were and also we had witnesses that we had done nothing (literally nothing! Including when we were being attacked :( )

    Which led me and my involved friends on to feel that you should not bother contacting police unless someone is hospitalised or at active risk of being put in hospital.
     

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