Pressure points? Nonsense or Real?

Discussion in 'Newbie Questions' started by Ryan-T, Jan 26, 2010.

  1. Supertramp1981

    Supertramp1981 Banned Banned

    I was at work smoking a fag, some geezer had an argument with me a bit earlier, he got in my space and I pooed my pants I forgot everything I learned, I walked away but he followed me again he come right in my face I was so freaked out I didn't even have my hands up, he kind of made a jerking movement as if he was going to hit me so I punched him in the spot just below the belt line, he kind of yelped then doubled over and I ran off, it was a horrible thing but if I didn't do anything he would have bashed me
     
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  2. Hannibal

    Hannibal Angriest MAP resident.... Supporter

    His nuts?

    :D
     
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  3. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member

    It's interesting to see how people explain this to themselves and hear their rationale though.

    You seem like a genuine guy and I appreciate your candour; I also appreciate you like what you train so I'll refrain from criticising it further (I think there is enough out there to shed light on its flaws). The only thing I'll say is that wacking someone who never really wanted to fight in the bladder/nuts and having them back down, while fortunate, doesn't really serve as validation of kyusho jitsu in my opinion.
     
  4. Supertramp1981

    Supertramp1981 Banned Banned

    He's nuts
     
  5. Supertramp1981

    Supertramp1981 Banned Banned

    No don't get me wrong I'm not a violent person but the man was going to hit me, I would never hit anybody unless it was absolutely necessary
     
  6. Supertramp1981

    Supertramp1981 Banned Banned

    Just for clarification I didn't literally poo my pants.
     
  7. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    I was on a Kyusho seminar once.
    Was awesome.
    No one wanted to train with me, because none if the pressure point would have any effect on me.
    The instructor was enjoying some time to try it on me, so my arms were blue and green the very next day :D

    BUT!
    He mentioned right in the beginning, that these points don't work on everybody!
    he also mentioned they're at best an add-on that can be used, if you by luck hit the point when struggling/ fighting already.

    He didn't advise at all, to keep the entire focus on it.


    Another seminar I was on went similar, when the Kyusho-part came up.
    The good side is, I guess, that some people get a little fun out of poking the pressure points on me, to see if something will happen after all.
     
  8. Travess

    Travess Misplaced Melancholy Supporter

    His 'Chi Balls'...

    Travess
     
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  9. Supertramp1981

    Supertramp1981 Banned Banned

    The ultimate warrior!
     
  10. Aegis

    Aegis River Guardian Admin Supporter

    I was on a kyusho seminar once as well. The good stuff was basic biomechanics found in stuff like jujutsu without the woo. The bad stuff was just plain stupid, including the black belt failed to block a punch to the face despite asking me to throw said punch and him being in a stance at the time.

    Then you had the guy who said that because the moon was full, there was more gravity, making pressure points more effective.

    Idiot.
     
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  11. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member

    I didn't intend to insinuate that. What I meant was your assailant's intention seemed to be to intimidate and exert social dominance rather than to assault you and that your physical response didn't really serve to validate either pressure point striking or your system. No value judgement intended, just that it doesn't take training to drop an uncomitted attacker by pre-emptively nut-shotting them. Although it does take the ability to dig deep and transgress a lot of social conditioning around public violence and dealing with adrenaline so well done anyway.

    I was simply trying to state as tactfully as possible that the situation does nothing to validate the system you train which is essentially run if the mill jujitsu/karate with added charlatanism. And that's what Dillman is; not a mad genius but a grasping charlatan with bog standard karate and some old point fighting success.


    Come on; be honest ;) I do realise that, mate.
     
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  12. Supertramp1981

    Supertramp1981 Banned Banned

    i know I'm just having banter.
    also i did not punch the person in the nuts, i hit in and down on the cv points just below the belly button, a shot to the nuts is wasted shot and most of the time won't work anyway. but thanks for your feed back, instead of just dismissing things off hand you do actually have a thoughtful point of view. i dig it
     
  13. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member

    No worries mate.

    How hard did you strike him and what was the effect?

    What parts of Dillman's system do you think are good and where does he lose you?

    Do you believe in chi/ki in the context of pressure points?

    What type of pressure point strikes do you think have value, in what context do you see them working and how do they work?

    I once had someone in side control and they told me they could get out if it wasn't 'against the rules'. I told them to do whatever they wanted... You guessed it: pressure point work in and around the ribs. It did nothing. Pain compliance only works against those who lack conviction to fight and all the obscure nerve strikes have never worked outside of complient demoes with insiders in my experience and my observations.

    How long have you trained in Kyusho and can you post any footage of anything from it that doesn't raise a questioning eyebrow?
     
  14. Supertramp1981

    Supertramp1981 Banned Banned

    hi mate. i struck him as hard as i could, but because he was right in front of me i didn't really have any distance, but i kept my fist lose and hit in and down on the cv 2 3 or 4 I'm not sure which one. like i said I'm not trying to be some hard man, cos I'm most certainly not I'm just trying to explain that although by no means anyone should absolutely relay on pp it can be a really good program to have on your hard drive if you get my meaning. I'm actually not that familiar with Dillman his self but many of the teachers of kyusho base their teachings on his. as for what happened when you had side control, well i wasn't there so its hard to say, maybe the person wasn't doing it right if you slam straight in on the point nothing will happen its actually more like stab type hit that you need to make it work. i have been studying kyushu for 2 years
     
  15. Supertramp1981

    Supertramp1981 Banned Banned

    sorry to go on, you also mentioned chi, the thing is chi is just a word, the best way i would explain it to someone into bbj would be, think of it like weight distribution, if you have all your wight evenly spread onto your opponent they may find it easier to shrimp out, but if you concentrate all your body weight on one particular spot they will find it harder also its like hooking onto them so they have to deal with both your weight and their own body weight, so it all comes down to gravity which is magnatisum, which is electricity, I'm no expert on chi and i know next to nothing about bjj thats just my own way of explaining my take on it to you.thanks buddy
     
  16. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    Naturally it depends on your definition of a pressure point and Dilman is, in my view, not a good example of someone who can use kyusho effectively

    When striking there are places on the body that have more effect than others - hopefully this is obvious. That is kyusho: good targets for your strikes

    Understanding that when you hit certain places it's likely (not 100%) to have a particular effect can add to the effectiveness of your overall technique

    For example striking the point at the top of the forearm, near the elbow will often weaken a grip. So it's handy when dealing with grabs or people holding weapons

    BUT

    1. Like anything it's not 100%
    2. Pain doesn't stop tough guys
    3. It should augment a structural technique, not replace it

    Chi / Ki doesn't really play a part in kyusho I think, they need a certain amount of force & need to be struck correctly to work
     
  17. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth

    That's sounds like some "quantum woo", all fundamental physics are connected, but it's misleading to claim your dilman woo is magnetic or indeedelectric.

    However re bjj my escape game is both systematic, and hydromatic and that why it's.......
     
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  18. Supertramp1981

    Supertramp1981 Banned Banned

    the meridians just another name for nerve, electricity runs through the nerves there is a lot electricity in a person, is it this really powerful thing, i don't know enough about it to say, but i do know if a person can land a strike with the right energy and direction most of the time it will work, and if it doesn't work? well you've still hit them, so hit the attacker again slap them whatever you want.
     
  19. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth

    There are loads of meridians that are nothing to do with nerves.

    There are vital points in humans, but they're generally not that accessible in fighting, the ones that are accessible, are used to Great effect in striking and grappling combat sports but are nothing like what you think of as "vital points".

    "A human body can only generate between 10 and 100 millivolts "

    How does the body make electricity -- and how does it use it?
     
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  20. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    One of the many points that won't work on me at all.
    I had bruises there the other day, I could see where a fingernail was set at that place, but I couldn't have cared less.

    But I saw another person flinch, when pressed on that spot; a person, who wouldn't just play along.
    Since I never have actually felt something special when people were poking around, I still don't understand, why he would have done it on another level "okay, apparently it hurts a little".
     
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