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Ask Rick to fight you just using Wing Chun against your MMA

Let me know what happens

 

I think koshiki is similar to the original ruleset proposed as well.

As for the head contact sparring business...I've had a lot of opportunity in my career to speak to neuropsychologists and neurologists about concussion and repeated sub-concussive impact.

The take home about concussion is clear. After a concussion the longer the break from the next concussion, the more predictive of positive recovery.

Based on some discussion, I think the rest of getting hit in the head on occasion is a little over-blown. One professional I spoke to talked about research suggesting that up to 80 percent of healthy males will have one or more concussions in their life. The brain is relatively adaptive and can repair itself if given the time and safe conditions.

There is risk to everything in life. Every sport has a risk of injury, combat sports seem to have a lower injury risk than other sports. The key consideration in a striking sport is safe training. I think this has already been covered.

Also, I make all my students wear padded head gear when sparring (tkd). The reason for this is not the actual strikes, but that we have a hard floor and brick walls, falling and landing on concrete head first is probably more dangerous than a good shot to the head.

Just train safe, at a reputable club, with good training partners. this is harder than it sounds. If you don't like it, stop. Which it sounds like the OP already has.

 

Or you could have a really good sprawl and takedown defences, keep it standing and win by points.

 

So basically grappling....exactly as I said above

 

Once again, you are viewing kungfu practitioners through your own experience - which is understandable.
You haven't considered that some kungfu practitioners may already do this.
Myself, I try to make time to visit a local MMA gym during free mat periods and train with the guys there.

In my class, I introduce partner with from the outset and this builds into free sparring.

Many schools are rubbish. The same can be said for many arts due to commercialisation.
But it doesn't yet apply fully across the board.

 

Remember the ksbo events that were no headshots, grapplers won everything lol, a friend of mine ran a similar event judo clubs turned up and cleaned house. Without hard head shots the event is just too hard to win without grappling

 

When you say train at an mma gym are you talking in the grappling class or the mma class? How hard is the sparring for instance

Good Kung Fu is more rounded than mma, weapons health and so on, but since it isn't as focused on fighting and more hap hazard in its approach (more a scatter gun approach) it simply doesnt produce as good a fighter out of the average person, there are exceptions to all rules like the aforementioned Rik young, but the question is how much better would he have been if he had just done mma and Thai and not ever seen wing chun?

 

I had that argument last month. I've never met or saw anyone who done only wing chun and done well with it in any context outside of annotations. Rick, along with anyone who can make traditional kung fu work, tends to have a lot of training in other arts that do have timing and distance.

It's the Tai Chi argument over again. They currently have a thread going discussing "optimum range for tai chi". If you don't know your own range in a fight you're not off to a very good start.

 

It has almost bugger all to do with fighting. ;D

But learning to fight solely for self defence is such a last measure now. I don't think anyone does it just to protect themselves. I would imagine everyone who trains does so because they enjoy it

 

The point also is how much better could these people be if they had trained sports from the outset and not done kun Fu, I've had the privilege of being around some very good Kung Fu fighters guys like Alfie Lewis, Nathan Lewis, MVPs dad and most of them were so good they could make anything work, and most of them trained just like sports guys, conditioning, bad work, sparring (hard sparring so hard that they had full contact guys refusing to take part in so called semi contact sparring sessions when they saw the level of contact being used) also the vast majority couldn't do a form to save their lifes and were derided by other senior Kung Fu people for not looking traditional but like kick boxers....

 

How could I forget - it was where I grabbed Bisping in the lower region!

They allowed head kicks but that was suicide against grapplers...I remember an entire Kyokushin team getting annihilated because they thought their experience in full contact would help them

 

Wing Chun and tai chi are both "graduate systems" to me....same for Aikido

Kano sent his shodans to Ueshiba for polishing after all

 

Cross training, cross training, cross training...

Cross train!

 

Somehow I doubt if he was alive now he'd be sending them to the local aikido school

 

Don't think anyone including pip has said not to cross train, think his point is to pick your arts wisely so you don't waste your time

 

Hah!

 

Yes, I was just advocating cross training to become a well rounded martial artist.

Personally I'd be more interested in finding a highly skilled/ good quality teacher than looking at certain styles as the best, or otherwise useless.

 

OK let's try again, why should anyone post the information for you? Find it yourself its easily done when you don't train nor teach anyone why should we do this for you what's your interest??

Its simple enough to find stop being lazy... here's a quote from the AIBA on why they removed head gear

{In a statement, the AIBA said: 'All available data indicated that the removal of headguard in Elite Men would result in a decreased number of concussions.'

Although cuts will still be a risk, these will heal, as will bones - 'but if you can't recognise your grandchildren, it's a disaster,' Charles Butler, chairman of the AIBA medical commission, told the Wall Street Journal. He has worked on research which formed the basis of the recommendations.

He looked at research involving 15,000 boxers, half of whom had competed with headgear and half without.

He found that in the 7,352 rounds that took place with boxers wearing headgear, the rate of concussion was 0.38 per cent, compared with 0.17 per cent per boxer per round in the 7,545 rounds without headgear.}

Now I'm sure if your scientific brain doesn't accept that quote you could easily find the scientific paper quoted, have at it

 

I'm sure we had a thread on MAP not that long ago with reference to this. A very interesting study.

 

Theres also been a few documentaries about it as well, which made scary watching, and also enlightening to quote one doctor working with rugby players and boxers if you want something strong and padded to protect the brain you already have it, its called your skull and hair, if that doesn't protect you nothing will