I see, now it's BS? lol... If you don't understand something then it must be BS. It was relevant to the post I replied to, which is a mistake anybody can make. Don't you do such a good job of making people feel welcome here though dude? I have apologised three times for replying to a post in mistake by not realising it was a couple of pages from the latest one. Is that really such a problem? You also asked what I meant by 'usual' which I also explained. Not to worry though my friend. I am sure you are one of those arrogant souls who has to have the last word, so go ahead and have it. As for myself, I will try to post more pro-actively than your demonstration and not try and jump up and down on other members for no good reason, just to make myself look bigger. Good day sir. And to Benkai, thank you for your reply. I have no problem at all with anyone here, I just felt a little jumped on for a simple mistake. Rest assured my memory for these things is short and in a few minutes I will have forgotten it all anyway. Again my apologies.
May I speak for ji-jutsu. As a 1st dan black belt in ji-jutsu. ji-jutsu is a art of self defence, throws, punchs, kicking, locks,etc. As one of the fellows said earlier on it is about the instructor. If you dont work well with your instructor you wont learn very much. And seeing as I have done ninjutsu to the only differance to the eye is you learn more weapon s just.
I study bujinkan budo taijutsu (ninjutsu) at a manchester dojo, and i can say that most of the grappling that we do isnt for submission as you put it, its to hurt them by breaking or dislocating (sorry if spelt wrong) limbs and joints. and when we do practice techniques, strikes and things we go slow at first but then faster and harder when we get more confident with the technique. Its not like you see on youtube when people are holding out their arms, thats just to learn. Back on topic, ninjutsu is less restrictive as jujutsu and focuses on all areas, not just grappling, but effective striking, and using postures that are good for defence/attack but keeping a solid frame. plus we deal in weapons which is always intresting to learn.
Most of the taijutsu in BBT is from koryu jujutsu (Takagi Yoshin-ryu, Shinden Fudo-ryu etc). Jujutsu deal in weapons, atemi, etc. I'm going to repost what I wrote before on this, just to clarify. Many koryu bujutsu ryuha both extant and no longer extant had "ninjutsu" in their school's curricula. Older schools did not actually specialize in merely one discipline, they taught many disciplines that a bushi would need to be of use to a feudal domain. These skill sets included swordsmanship, spearmanship, halberdry, archery, gunnery, field & fortification strategy, and sometimes, depending on the school, special field operations (Read Ninjutsu). Ninjutsu is a seperate discipline from what is generically known as jûjutsu (which depending on the ryuha had different terms, such as kumi-uchi, kogusoku, koshi no mawari, taijutsu, yawara, torite, etc.) Jûjutsu was/is a generic umbrella term for mainland Japanese unarmed combat methods. Ninjutsu was a seperate discipline or area of study where certain specific skill sets were learned and applied (e.g. stealth, cover & concealment, espionage, survival skills, escape & evasion methods, scouting methods, surveillance, etc.) These skills were taught in koryu bujutsu ryuha alongside other more familiar disciplines. Some of these ryuha were Otome-ryu (御留流) An otome-ryu was a bujutsu ryuha that was specifically sponsored and reserved for the retainers of a specific domain. Sometimes a domain would have more than one ryuha as Otome-ryu. (e.g. Shingetsu Muso Yanagi-ryu was the Otome-ryu for the Nabeshima-han. Sosuishi-ryu & Isejitoku Tenshin-ryu were both otome-ryu for the Kuroda-han.) Which meant that a certain few bushi (Samurai), alongside their normal budo/bugei training, would also be allowed to train and qualify in this school. Even though some ryuha may have been famous for their ninjutsu, that doesn't necessarily mean that they had a jûjutsu syllabus in their curriculum. It is a modern misconception to think that ninjutsu is a multli-discipline art containing sword, spear, unarmed combat, etc. This phenomenon has come about due to certain organizations like the Bujinkan, Genbukan, Jinenkan & Myofu-an teaching a large curriculum, comprised of teachings from several different ryuha. This doesn't mean that the entire curriculum in those organizations are to be considered ninjutsu. The majority of the ryuha in these organisations teach either weapons, unarmed combat or both. If I remember correctly, only two of the nine schools in the Bujinkan are classified as having ninjutsu in their curriculum. There was a time when people in the Bujinkan trained like everyone else in koryu - They didn't wear black, they trained in white keikogi & black hakama. That all changed in the late 1970's & early 1980's Within koryu bujutsu schools, you'll find ryuha like Tatsumi-ryu, Yagyu-ryu & Sosuishi-ryu having ninjutsu in their curriculum. These are samurai bujutsu schools. Most of the armed & unarmed disciplines in what people think of as "ninjutsu" are samurai bujutsu schools too.Tatsumi-ryu is famous as a sword school, yet teaches bo, naginata, yari, shuriken, jûjutsu & monomi (ninjutsu) in it's catalogue of techniques. Other ryuha are very similar to this. Sorry for the long post, but certain misconceptions have to be addressed.
How can you make a statement like this without having trained in JuJutsu? JuJutsu is not just grappling and includes effective strikes, stances and weapons. Kogusoku, are there resources such as book that detail that sort of information and the history of martial arts, particularly in Japan? I'm at the stage where I would like to learn more, however I am finding it hard to find sources of information.
ahh sorry righty i didnt mean to cause offence, but thanks now i know, you learn something new every day.
Koryu Bujutsu, Sword & Spirit, Keiko Shokon - Edited by Diane Skoss This series of books are collections of essays going into several classical Japanese martial traditions, both armed and unarmed, giving a deeper insight into how authentic koryu are taught. Classical Budo, Classical Bujutsu, Modern Bujutsu & Budo (various) - Donn F. Draeger This is an older set of books by one of the pioneers of classical Japanese martial arts, Donn F. Draeger. This also looks into armed and unarmed bujutsu. Classical Fighting Arts of Japan : A Complete Guide to Koryu Jujutsu by Serge Mol A thorough (yet slightly flawed in places) guide to koryu jujutsu ryuha, both extant and extinct. Those books should help gain a greater insight into classical Japanese jujutsu and the history of budo overall.
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