master ang kee kong

Discussion in 'Kung Fu' started by banana boy, Dec 28, 2008.

  1. 36chambers

    36chambers Valued Member

    i myself have trained for several years under master ang but i wouldnt say unfortunately.infact i would have said training has become more intense over the years and i enjoy every sweat braking class and the club itself has produced better fighters for the tournaments over the last few years. As for the black belts i would say they know more than a fair share of required fields to have earned their grade and have not been to the candy shop!:)
     
  2. Estrix

    Estrix Valued Member

    I trained in 5 Pattern Hung Kuen for 7 years but not under Mast Ang (and it seems a different lineage as well, mine came via Yuen Yik Kai). There are several things I've encountered that concern me in previous posts about his training of the system:

    1) A black belt in 2.5 to 3 years was mentioned. When I was in the system it took 10 years. Also you start without a belt and have to earn the white belt, that took 6 months to a year.
    2) The use of pads. I've never heard of any Hung Kuen school using any padding. At it's basic levels it is an external system that builds on physical conditioning. As such we trained without pads or mats.
    3) All the animal patterns being at black belt. Well maybe if the black belt time is quicker it makes some sense, but we learn the various patterns as we went along. So Fu was after about 3 years. It is important to learn the animal patterns for several reasons I'm to lazy to expand on right now.

    Having said all that, I LOVED Hung Kuen. So I'd say give it a go and see
     
  3. 36chambers

    36chambers Valued Member

    at no.2 . i think when pads was mentioned they were talking about protective gear for tournaments. although we do use hand pads for kicking and punching and doing combos. 2.5 to 3 years im not sure about as i have asked a black belt and he said either 5 or 7 years i cant remember although 1 or 2 of the students probably have done it quicker depending on how many lessons they go to a week and what their memorys like. a few question to you 1) how many grades of black belt were there in your style or dans? Q 2) how many times did you or your club train a week or how many lessons were held a week?thnx:)
     
  4. Late for dinner

    Late for dinner Valued Member

    Dan grades in kung fu?? Hmm I guess that this is a modern thing that has been added but I don't think I have heard of that before in a traditional club. I have a mate that is the head of a European branch of one of the HK based Associations and I will ask him whether they have any sort of structure for levels of BB.

    powchoy
     
  5. 36chambers

    36chambers Valued Member

    im guessing they have been added as regards to the black belt although i am lead to believe that kung fu itself doesn't originally have a belt system. i may be wrong but your knowledge is welcome
     
  6. Estrix

    Estrix Valued Member

    There's junior black, black, master black. Apparently you should expect at least 10 years to reach black, and then another 10 years to reach master black lol.

    We only trained twice a week officially at the end (we were a very small club) but used to get together unofficially to train as well. However I believe the 10 year estimate is based on 3 times a week.
     
  7. 36chambers

    36chambers Valued Member

    ar ok, i think in this particular club there is 10 levels of black grade maybe 9 i know of 1 person who is 8th or 9th excluding the master and thats taken him or at least hes done it for around 25 years.
     
  8. Late for dinner

    Late for dinner Valued Member

    Here is a web page from a 'typical' traditional school that might give a bit more detail on what you see in such a school.

    http://hungkuen.eu/SLP_Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=67&Itemid=79

    You can see that they mention three levels of student and 3 levels of instructor which might be construed as 'dan' levels but I am not sure that it is that simple.

    ''Training program, is the tool for creating a martial artist that includes:

    The complete orthodox “Lam’s family Hung Kuen” with its empty-hand (kuen tou - 基本), traditional Chinese weapons (bing hei - 兵器) and sparing (deui chaak - 對拆), training sets.

    Basic exercises (gei bun - 基本)
    Traditional, practical and fighting applications (saan sau - 散手)
    Sparring drills (bok gik - 搏擊)
    The introductory training (introduction fighting forms and techniques)
    Hung Kar’s kick-boxing (Chinese SanDa - 散打), in the form of “QingDa - light-contact” & “SanShou (散手)- full-contact” ring competition.
    Joint-locking (chin-na - 擒拿) and pressure point techniques.
    The “Medical qigong” (qigong - 氣功) an “energized” type of exercise that combines the soft body movements with the breathing exercises of static and moving concentration, to increase human energy and its “status of health”.
    The “tai chi” program (tai chi chuan -太極拳) a Chinese soft type of exercise that promote relaxation and increase circulation to improve health.
    The practical self-defense program.''

    Worth a look anyways if you want a comparison.

    powchoy
     
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2011
  9. Late for dinner

    Late for dinner Valued Member

    oops says three levels of instructors done with 10 degrees...

    Not something I have seen before with these guys but hey it might be that that is the present set up within said orgs.

    :' S

    powchoy
     
  10. 36chambers

    36chambers Valued Member

    lol no worries pal have fun:D
     
  11. 36chambers

    36chambers Valued Member

    in what particular way was you not impressed ? and of course you wouldn't be impressed advertising your own school would you?
     
  12. furinkazan

    furinkazan Valued Member

    call this a thread ressurection but I'm looking for some Hung Gar to take up, and I wasn't aware of any in manchester till today where I heard of Sifu Ang. I'm struggling, however, to find contact details or any class information. If anyone is still training with Sifu Ang or has any contact details, message me or let me know where abouts the classes are?

    thanks
     
  13. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

  14. furinkazan

    furinkazan Valued Member

    did check that webpage but he's not listed at either of the uni pages at manchester and neither site is working when I load it.
     
  15. Late for dinner

    Late for dinner Valued Member

    I did some grad school placements in Manchester and really struggled to contact anyone from this school. I think that they had changed location more than once.

    If you are interested in Hung Gar up that way you might want to to talk to Tom Bayley on here as I think he might know some people your way.

    FWIW

    LFD
     
  16. furinkazan

    furinkazan Valued Member

    Thanks, nearest other one I can find is in Liverpool, and since I've got studies and a job balancing act right now, I may not be able to train regularly if at all for the next two years or so.
     
  17. Jan Mitchell

    Jan Mitchell New Member

    Master Ang taught my son to 2nd grade brown belt until he gave up to my dismay when he turned 14. This was around 16 years ago. I found him to be a lovely man and a great teacher. Hope this helps
     

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