MANTIS Child Protector

Discussion in 'Self Defence' started by rne02, Nov 4, 2015.

  1. 8moves

    8moves Banned Banned

    Page 2, post #23 CPMANTIS is clearly Mr. Simon Brooker as he posts all of his personal "accomplishments" and continually refers him self in first person "I did this" , "I did that".

    Page 4, post #46 CPMANTIS states "This is not Simon".

    Some of his self published websites are starting to come down, but they has similar mistakes as well. He would talk of him self in first person, a few lines down he would talk of him self in third person.
     
  2. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Please do not mistake my question.....I know EXACTLY who is posting as CPMANTIS but like all those with an agenda and an inability to keep track of their own lies it is useful to get them to commit to something they can later not retract
     
  3. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    We're here to discuss MANTIS and the package they have on offer, not any issues you have with an individual.

    We're not welcoming of agenda trolls, so bear that in mind with any further posts.
     
  4. 8moves

    8moves Banned Banned

    He was over the moon about it before the bad reaction from people on this forum. That is him in the video as the potential abductor. He says he has nothing to do with that side of things, yet is in the video him self.

    He made a similar attempted abduction video when he was in the states.
    Its been removed, but we are in contact with the video team that produced it.
     
  5. 8moves

    8moves Banned Banned

    Understood. I'll take some points to PM to keep this thread clean.
     
  6. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    I'm not sure your PM service is activated yet, as you need a minimum post count.

    I am contactable by email if you wish. Click on my username and there is a link.
     
  7. 8moves

    8moves Banned Banned

    Should it be pertinent not to only discuss the techniques of the programme, but also the instructors?
    School teachers are background investigated before they are allowed to teach and interact with our children. Should we not hold the same accountability to these instructors we are allowing into schools? Instructors in private facilities we allow to engage with our children?
    Would not every parent like to know the background of each individual their children are in contact with?
    Mr. Brooker is one of these instructors. Are you advising to over look him?
    Please remember I am not the one who started this thread, merely replying to an inquiry.
    "Don't shoot the messenger"
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2015
  8. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    I think his background is relevant, but also know people are suspicious of people with unclear agendas.

    Have you had a prior experience with Simon Brookers and or mantis?

    Your user name is 8 moves, is this a mantis reference?
     
  9. HairoNoSora

    HairoNoSora Valued Member

    Indeed, I dont think anyone on this forum thinks much of mantis or mr. Brookers, but agendas do muddy up the whole thing.

    8moves, what is your stake in this? And please dont dodge it by just saying "want to get the truth out" because people dont randomly join forums for things like this, so there is some history or agenda here. Theres nothing wrong with gaving a background or agenda, as long as its transparent
     
  10. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    This!!!

    And while you are at it, please be sure to include your martial arts background please. Your personal experience with this MANTIS system specifically and other martial arts training.
     
  11. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    I would also add that I have been in email correspondence with various parties over the last few days.

    Beyond the MOD and Admin Team these emails will remain private.

    Posts within the ToS are fine, as are those discussing the system. What we won't allow is personal attacks or agenda trolling.

    Thank you.

    Simon.
     
  12. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter


    I added emphasis to the quote to show what my question is regarding.

    :confused:Who is we?:confused:
     
  13. 8moves

    8moves Banned Banned

    Sorry aaradia, we may be misleading. Another interested party is in contact with the video team from the states that worked on the original mantis programme. I did not want to state I was in contact with them because I am not in direct contact.
     
  14. 8moves

    8moves Banned Banned

    A dear friend (no, I am not referring to myself) of mine lost 10,500 USD investing in mantis was left with nothing besides a sheet of printed paper from Mr. Brooker. Not legal, Mr. Brooker was not certified to sell shares of his company, nor did this company even legally exist. He said he was traveling to UK to promote mantis and would return in a months time.
    Soon after it was discovered why he really left. His arrest warrant shown is one small piece of the puzzle. He is under multiple investigations by law enforcement and privately. The warrant is real can be viewed as public record. The fraudulent shares of his company are merely sheet of paper anyone could print off and hard to prove on a forum post that Mr. Brooker was the one selling these for 10,500 USD.
    My "agenda" is indeed to get the truth out there so no one else suffers this or any other loss by Mr. Brooker. To answer another previous question; I have no martial arts experience, never attended a class in my life.
     
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2015
  15. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    8moves, the onus is now very much on you to prove these claims.

    If what you say is true you should be providing links and proof of your accusations.

    If you are arguing for a friend then your claims hold even less water.

    Either way, prove your claims.
     
  16. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    No. If he is arguing on behalf of a friend that does not lessen his claims or his argument.

    A lack of proof will.
     
  17. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member


    Has Mr Brooker turned up on Bullshido?
     
  18. CPMANTIS

    CPMANTIS Valued Member

    Who lost £10500 by investing any money in MANTIS?

    Seed capital was raised in the beginning by loyal faithful friends.
    Nobody invested £10500 in any lump sum.

    nobody has lost any money. No body has parted with any money that we are not in touch with. The company and all involved have regular meetings on skype, email and by telephone so please share who this so called investor is.
     
  19. CPMANTIS

    CPMANTIS Valued Member

    Any initial investor that offered seed capital to start the business and manufacture the products, re vamp, shoot and edit the DVD can have a full refund. We formally offer any seed capital investor, anyone that has handed over any fund a refund by our offices.

    There is no dear friend out of pocket. Do you see the publicity regarding MANTIS. Do you think that if someone had been ripped off and $10,500 stolen that we would be advertising heavily. Marketing so much. No body has lost money from MANTIS.
     
  20. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    Hey CPMantis, any estimate of when we can see accurate video's showing your product to your satisfaction?

    This is what interests me more. The accusations back and forth- well - both you and 8moves keep saying stuff with no evidence. It is really annoying and has no credibility to me.:rolleyes:

    I would however, really like to see your accurate portrayals of your product, and marketing that you agree with. So, an estimate of when that is forthcoming would be great!
     

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