In a world full of guns...

Discussion in 'Ju Jitsu' started by Gengar, Aug 30, 2015.

  1. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Pretty much

    Every style has stuff you will prefer and stuff you will hate...same as a job in many ways.

    Do the stuff you hate because you have to and excel at the stuff you like because you want to; you will also find that what you hate can become what you like :)
     
  2. peterc8455

    peterc8455 Valued Member

    Personally I think the last part of this statement of yours says a lot:

    "I've done karate for a few months, tai chi for a few months, never done bjj (obviously) but have watched lessons, taekwondo and jjj are the only two that i'm comfortable with."

    If you really want to improve and develop your combative skills then you need to get outside your comfort zone and I guarantee Judo (or BJJ) among others will do just that.

    I'm also willing to bet your views will be different after six months of consistent training in one of those arts.

    It is really hard work but I'm going to warn you though it might be fun too. ;)
     
  3. Gengar

    Gengar Valued Member

    There is obviously a lot I need to learn but WJJF for all the bad stuff said the techniques are good in my opinion.
     
  4. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    That's what they are saying though; You're opinion does not carry as much weight as theirs :p

    Anyway, good luck to you man :)
     
  5. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Some are fine, some are meh and some are flat out terrible
     
  6. peterc8455

    peterc8455 Valued Member

    Gengar its very easy to lie to yourself in your training.

    You need to get outside your comfort zone and train (not watch) with people outside your group.

    Don't be comfortable being a big fish in a small pond.
     
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  7. Gengar

    Gengar Valued Member

    Which is why I said that once I reach black belt I plan to go back and focus on the first few belts as they're the ones that I believe are most realistic.
     
  8. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    You are literally trying to make a square peg fit a round hold

    The ones that work in WJJF are the ones that mirror Judo/BJJ - why? Because those arts pressure test and they are PROVEN to work under pressure

    If efficacy in combat is your aim you need to look elsewhere - you are trying to argue against people with more experience in martial arts AND in actual combat, and many have direct experience in WJJF
     
  9. idols11

    idols11 Valued Member

    What Hannibal said is true.

    Also keep in mind Judo is an evolution of JJJ anyway. Most Judo throws can be found in JJJ, but the difference is how they are trained - Judo trains with resistance, while JJJ usually doesn't.
     
  10. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    WJJF isn't even JJJ, its someone idea (in the 70's maybe 80's) of what JJJ might be, based on bits of Judo, karate and aikido with some 'kobuddydo' tacked on as an after thought, copied from videos.

    As such trying to make it SD relevant, or even physically workable is a difficult task as its many times removed from that.

    PS do you know why the guard isn't called the missionary position in BJJ?
    Because without training its the one on top that gets........ Well you get the idea.... ;)
     
  11. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Interesting aside in Catch we call guard the "saturday night ride" :)
     
  12. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Genius! Ahahah

    I've been trying a lot of Billy Robinson's turtle attacks recently, its a lot of fun surprising people with them!

    Catch catch catch!
     
  13. Gengar

    Gengar Valued Member

    It sounds like we're going to go round in circles. I'm not changing wjjf for judo nor bjj. Hannibal, thank you for answering my question :) I'll invest time and money into learning them and hope that I do enjoy them. I know a few dans that do enjoy that aspect maybe I can learn to love them.
     
  14. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    You'll be thanking your instructors when you stop that mugger from shooting you by shanking him in the eye with your Ka-Bar.
     
  15. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Are guns that common in the UK?

    If so best keep your 'bo staff' 'sai trident' and 'katana sword' with you at all times!
     
  16. qazaqwe

    qazaqwe Valued Member

    Fair enough, i know when arrogance meets a sense of stubbornness nothing can be done but pity, but do know, you are cutting your nose off to spite your face, try not to get shot, and don't drink anymore kool aid, the almond flavor is probably cyanide.
     
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  17. qazaqwe

    qazaqwe Valued Member

    Wasn't it Gotch himself who said pulling guard was the act of an old "lady of the night" waiting for a customer? Granted, his solution to the guard was a heel hook, oddly absent from most bjj comps I've seen...funny that.
     
  18. peterc8455

    peterc8455 Valued Member

    Gengar I wish someone had given me the advice you have received here when I was your age.

    There is nothing wrong sticking to your JJJ; however please just be honest with yourself about the training.
     
  19. qazaqwe

    qazaqwe Valued Member

    Calling it JJJ is a stretch, but the more troubling thing is the reasoning behind discounting BJJ as a concept, it's equivocal to someone deciding to stick with tae bo cause they cuddle too much in muay thai.
     
  20. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    He actually said something more colorful too.......ToS prevents me posting it!
     

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