How do you make a martial arts/style/system

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by Rataca100, Sep 20, 2017.

  1. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Function not form is what you want
     
  2. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Evolution, not revolution.

    For me it's has been organic growth coupled with circumstances.

    One thing I would say is it's damn hard when you are on your own.

    There's no support from an organisation, which makes everything so much harder.

    Having been on both sides of the fence I wouldn't go back and now feel so much better being part of an organisation.
     
  3. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned

    Something that may be overlooked, dont you then have to stunt the progression of your experience while you teach others and set up your club and make it stable?
     
  4. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

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  5. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    You can keep training yourself and give training.
    It's again about what one wants.

    Before you can start your own school (with a good conscience at least) you would have years over years of experience and should be really able in your art.
    At that point some don't want to train several times a week anymore, due to several reasons: Some just don't want to anymore; some feel too old; some have family and need to change plans; whatever reasons.

    But even then you can compromise: Teaching on weekdays, and training and/ or visiting seminars on the weekends.

    It's not only this or that, black and white, there is grey as well.


    EDIT: In case I misunderstood you (I really have regularly problems to understand what you're trying to say. PLEASE re-read your posts regarding grammar, writing and whatnot. What you do is often plain disrespectful), sorry.
     
  6. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    No

    Teaching gives insights you simply cannot gain elsewhere - but of course you can only teach what you actually know
     
  7. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    It can happen, but it comes down to discipline and time management.

    You'll also grow in other areas, as you'll need to understand how to teach for example.

    I found it took about a year before I was comfortable with teaching, as we all have different learning styles and you need to cater for all of them.
     
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  8. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    Oh, so much this.

    I'm still amazed on what I learned just by teaching the kids and all this new viewpoints you get, when you have to explain it too different people, because they're having different problems with it.

    Apparently it benefited me as well, when I'm not totally misunderstanding what my teachers tell me about my own progression.
     
  9. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Hannibal you are starting to annoy me. :mad:
     
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  10. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    I used this quote when I hosted a training course at work last week.
     
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  11. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    WAR DOGS!!! :D
     
  12. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Only now?
     
  13. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    As Hannibal said, it gives you insights beyond what yo might learn in your own personal practice.

    Teachers learn twice. You also learn the real nuts and bolts of technique, as you have to make it work for everybody not just on an intuitive level.

    As for stunting progression, advanced practice is just basics performed at higher levels, so there's nothing bad about revisiting basics all the time.
     
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  14. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    So true.
     
  15. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    OK so let's say I want to teach Taekwondo but I want my students to have some basic functional throws by the time they reach blackbelt. Nothing that will win a judo comp perhaps but some solid techniques from clinch range to compliment the primary striking. Throws are in the books on Taekwondo written by General Choi so are part of Taekwondo.
    I would want those throws written into the syllabus (as I think people actually train and learn stuff they know they will be assessed on) and in the gradings.
    BUT if the syllabus of my parent TKD association doesn't include throws then that sets up conflict with what I'd like to teach.
    I could still teach throws in day to day classes but my students would know they aren't part of their formal gradings. They'd not be officially assessed on them. Perhaps then I'd have to have my own mini-gradings to assess them myself? Maybe now my students don't grade as often as others because now they have to learn throws on top of what everyone else is learning in the rest of the association?
    So how much the parent association dictates the grading criteria, and how that criteria matches your own criteria, effects how much conflict you might come into contact with when teaching/grading.

    And that's just throws...I can probably think of 10+ different things I'd like from a blackbelt that an association might not require.
     
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  16. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    Thanks for explaining what you mean;! Was a language problem this time.

    But - now I understand what you mean.
    I thought you meant to get in conflict with the association, because of what you train or something like that. Obviously I wasn't quite sure about it, otherwise I wouldn't have asked.

    In all honesty, I don't see it as a big problem though.
    I would add these throws, especially because they're part of the style, and would communicate it that way to my students.

    Maybe it's because I care less about gradings as I care about about knowing and being able to do certain things, but to me it also wouldn't be much of a problem to wait a little while longer for my next grading, if I were to learn something new instead.

    But then again, we have free techniques and such during normal training (with "free techniques" I mean, the teacher shows something, that's not necessarily part of the grading syllabus), and have a few months or so, where we focus more on the syllabus, so I never met that conflict.
    Might as play into my view, I guess.
     
  17. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned

    That reminds me when i see red belts not do the walking stance right.

    I think i took the stance that it was a buisness whichr equired you pretty much 24/7 in a admin/manger postiion so you wotn fidn time to do exercise proeprly or what ever, rather than soemthing where you would rpobbly actively take part in doing again. Kind of forgot that a teacher in a lot of instances if there was a spare person would take part ina pad work out or exercise.




    Going to be a pest and noob at TKD again, what books are these written by the maker of TKD? I want to get my hands on them, i woudl evry much like to at least get abook read on some of the commonly omitted bits of TKD training. :p

    (coming froma whitebelt with a cpombined of 6 months TKD trainign aprox. XD)
     
  18. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    Seriously, you're doing that on purpose, don't you?
    To annoy? Be interesting? Disrespectful to people, who try read what you write?
     
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  19. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned

    None of thos mistakes are that major. Spelling mistakes cant be helped and typing mistakes (most common of which is miss place charatcers) is due to typing habits and the way i type. (i resent english so dont go there, classically conditioned to hate it) I saw somwhere that the first and last word matter in reading something (will look into that bit of psyh). I understand not everyone knows english that well, but there are probably people with my problem in all languages.

    I will also take this to philsophy of how i can jusityfy this being part of my dialect and language/words are what you make them etc etc, but i dont think anyone wants me to go down that road especially now and here. It will be very cringy. :p I dont enjoy derailing conversations based on English skill and unneeded comments on it. I am also incapable of editing some of the ones which annoy me if i dont see them prior to 5 minuets passing.
     
  20. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    MAP requires you to write in clear English. Your text is spellchecked for you, and if it isn't please take the time to type it in a word processor then copy and paste :)
     
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