Concealing a 2 foot baton?

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by mewtwo55555, Aug 11, 2017.

  1. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    To quote GM Danny Guba, "If you've not trained it correctly you're just a cave man with a stick."
     
  2. mewtwo55555

    mewtwo55555 Valued Member

    What about other martial arts other than FMA or being trained by a security company?
     
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  3. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    I'm not sure what a security company could teach you. They don't carry 2 foot batons, so wouldn't be the people to talk to.

    What makes you want to carry this particular weapon?
     
  4. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    You can rely on MAP :D
     
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  5. mewtwo55555

    mewtwo55555 Valued Member

    Maybe your security companies in the UK dont but here in america where I live they do. Some people I have worked with have full "bat belt" guns pepper spray taser etc.

    The standard answer on why I wish to carry it "because it is cool"
     
  6. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

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  7. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    A quick Google search shows it's not obviously illegal in south dekota.
    Socially how do you get treated wearing one? Does it change how stranger treat you?
     
  8. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Security training is substandard and inadequate, almost without exception

    As for other arts..well you could but none of them are anywhere near as competent with the shorter implement so why would you bother?
     
  9. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Which is precisely why you shouldn't
     
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  10. mewtwo55555

    mewtwo55555 Valued Member

    Thank you for finally googling stuff instead of just telling me I am wrong. I am curious as to where you saw I lived in South Dakota? was it from a previous post? You would be suprised at the amount of people that tell me it is illegal to do x or that I am lieing or such.

    Every martial art can learn something from every other martial art. This is my polite way of saying please do not be so elitist. I think wearing a Gi or similar martial arts attire should be optional but you don't see me telling people that training in what we wear everyday is the only way to do things.
     
  11. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    I've never said it was illegal, only unwise, I also didn't say it definitely is legal.
    It's up to the person carrying to check that out for themselves.

    You posted your location in a previous Thread, and you referred to it in your first post on this thread.
     
  12. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Sometimes the lesson is "that ridiculous don't do it like that" so yes....

    I am not telling you anything controversial I am telling you something borne out of nearly 30 years in various arts and 20 years LEO experience as an officer, trainer and use of force expert in three countries - the advice being offered is empirical not emotional

    If you choose to ignore that because that doesn't fit some strange preconceived notion you have made up in your head that's your business
     
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  13. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    When the reason for carrying it, is being cool, I would advise to conceal it at home.
    Plus side: No one on the street will see it!
     
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  14. mewtwo55555

    mewtwo55555 Valued Member

    What martial arts have you studied? I am not ignoring you just when you say FMA is the best when it comes to a shorter implement and you do not cite any sources or anything to back up your claim I am skeptical. Online we are nothing more than what we say and usernames and such. One of my favorite sayings is "online every man is a man every woman is a man ever 14 year old is an FBI agent".

    Please give me some examples or I will stop believing what you say and such.
     
  15. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    FMA isn't a stick system, it's a bladed one.

    When the Spanish invaded the Philippines in 1521 they were driven away by away and the battle ended with Magellan losing his head on the beach.

    It wasn't until the Spanish returned 40 year later with muskets that the Filipinos were finally occupied.

    Blades were confiscated and so Eskrima sticks were born out of necessity.

    You could say FMA is a street orientated art. The competition art you see with both practitioners wearing helmets and padded suits comes from the Filipino government wanting to promote their art across the world.

    The heart of the art though remains and really is one of the most respected arts for short weapons.

    One thing FMA has over many arts is that the weapons based system is transferable, that is to say whatever I can do with the stick I can do with the blade and also empty handed.

    Stick seeks bone, knife seeks flesh, but the crossover is there.

    It isn't like many arts I've seen where the weapons seem like a completely different system.
     
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  16. Thomas

    Thomas Combat Hapkido/Taekwondo

    Just for discussion's sake, I would be worried that by carrying a (concealed) 2' baton that you may be creating more 'self defense' needs than you really need to.

    If you are walking around and frequently are in need of deploying a weapon, then you really need to consider some of the 'awareness' and 'avoidance' techniques that many self defense schools teach. If this is not the case and you merely carry because it is 'cool', then does it stand to reason that it may just lead you into a situation that you may not wish to be in (especially from a danger or legal perspective)? Is there a chance you may skip a chance to get away from a situation because you know you are armed and want to to use it?

    A wise man told me once to remember that if you carry a weapon, you must be ready to use it if you need. Are you willing to use a baton on another person? What would be reason enough for you to deploy this weapon and use it on someone? Do these situations come up frequently?
     
  17. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    If I saw a baton concealed under a long coat, I'd have to presume it was a sawn-off shotgun in preparing for worst-case-scenario.

    That's not good self-defence, especially if a cop makes the same judgement.
     
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  18. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Our Instructor
     
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  19. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

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  20. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    And I am hosting GM Tibon in August for the first time ever outside the US!

    That should be in the "so there" thread probably....
     
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