100 per hour is not THAT excessive...but only if the instruction is up to snuff - and if it is CKD it is probably not by definition
Yeh i had private lessons by a 5th degree master who is now 8th dan in wtf tae kwon do and at that time he charged £15 hr and many charge £25-30,and the quaility was very high,but £100 for ckd i think was high as many of us do not want to go to classes and are not all made of money. Me myself i would charge £25 because that is fair and even if i was 5th degree still the same as thats a lot of money,also many choi instructors do not offer one to ones. Also have any of you noticed some of these guys think they are film stars and need to check out there ego,i think i will start my own art and call it **** con do and everyone will ware silk pyjamas multi coloured hahaha
So, just to check, I've been away for a long time again, the end of the world has been and gone (on the 21st for anyone who missed it) and there are still ongoing arguments about CKD and some self-publicising televangelist types who bring down the reputation of the entire community, including the genuine, serious instructors? It's nice to know some things in life stay constant. How're you doing Dale?
I'd love to see some footage of the genuine, serious instructors. Regrettably I have yet to actually see any quality demonstrations of this art, including the recent post I made with a video of a 3rd dan grading with some of the worst self defence skills I've seen in a very long time. You know that I'm generally open minded, but having tried this art and done fairly extensive research, I still haven't see anything resembling decent self defence abilities either in demonstrations or gradings.
I just don't see what it offers that can't be done with TKD or any other art for that matter. There is no real rule that says TKD has to be practiced with 80 mph kicks and hard punches if there was then few over the age of 30 could practice it. I shun away like the plague schools that claim their style has to be practiced x way by everyone. Such places have not yet learned the true "Do part in IMO.
Bear in mind my knowledge is now mostly historical. Maybe it would be better to say that I know of some people who were geniune, serious instructors - and have now been out of the CKD world long enough that I couldn't necessarily speak for it's current state. I could, however, quite happily say that from experience in other arts and other areas I'm quite comfortable that I was not taught badly. There's a number of arts that I've tried, and rarely saw anything resembling decent self defence abilities in classes. Usually I didn't stay in those classes for long, but even if the majority of classes are bad there are usually gems out there - often fighting to be recognised over the mass-market legions and not casually dismissed. Whether they're right to remain affiliated to an organization that may, or may not, have a poor reputation is a completely separate debate and one I would really prefer not to get into.
I do know that for whatever reason there are large numbers of karate and TKD schools crossing over to teach CKD exclusively. It is an organization that is growing very, very quickly regardless of what other martial artists think.
do you think that may be to get away from the ever increasing Sport and "hard style" TKD has more and more become Kwajman? thanks ahead of time, Rob
Towards what? Fluff and ineffectiveness? If you are going to move away from something the alternative should usually present a better option. All evidence I have seen suggest thats CKD does not. Sport - none (by it's own admission) Low Impact - so limited value fitness Self-Protection - laughably bad So as far as I can see it is not even at the same level as Tae Bo
"Pil Sung" was the exclamation of every single craptacular CKD article in Martial art mags when it was first inflicted upon an unsuspecting public
I don't know. I know that some schools offer CKD as an alternative for students who can't perform at the levels of other 'hard' styles. People with joint issues, autism, less flexability do well with CKD. I'm not saying thats good or bad. I think any art that people go into will benefit them to some level. Just like my knees won't let me do BJJ or Aikido, I can still do more hand oriented martial arts. I'm not saying CKD is all that the international website says it is, I'm just saying it may be a reasonable alternative for someone who can't do other more physical martial arts. I think many of the arguments against CKD can be made against tai chi for example. Martial arts are a lot like beer, what the europeans would call horse p**s the Americans guzzle with gusto.
